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No surprise that Favre wanted to be a Cowboy as a kid. The Saints sucked eggs big time back then. I'm sure he had more fun playing Captain America than he would have wearing an Aint bag.

As for Favre giving everything he had to give, well, there are thousands of working Americans who give everything they have to give to their jobs, just to support their families and for a lot less than Favre received. If it's poignant for Favre to "retire" a multi-millionaire after only 17 years then it must be tragic for the average joe to retire after 40 years unsure if he has enough put away to live on and worried that illness will take that away.

Sorry, but I just don't see the poignancy of Favre's situation.

Well, with that admission from Brett Favre, he's earned a lot of my respect, even though I already liked the guy.

Favre was a great QB and a tough one too. He played on some bad teams. His consecutive game streak is unbelievable.

Favre will be missed.  Other than the cowboys, I have to say watching Favre play in the cold Green Bay weather was enjoyable to watch.  He wore his love for the game on his face all the time much like Romo does now.  If Romo loves the game and the competition as much as favre, then i see a promising future for our Boys!

Ruffnek said:

No surprise that Favre wanted to be a Cowboy as a kid. The Saints sucked eggs big time back then. I'm sure he had more fun playing Captain America than he would have wearing an Aint bag.

As for Favre giving everything he had to give, well, there are thousands of working Americans who give everything they have to give to their jobs, just to support their families and for a lot less than Favre received. If it's poignant for Favre to "retire" a multi-millionaire after only 17 years then it must be tragic for the average joe to retire after 40 years unsure if he has enough put away to live on and worried that illness will take that away.

Sorry, but I just don't see the poignancy of Favre's situation.

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Excellent post

I feel sad for Julius Jones I don't know what it was about him that ever made the Cowboy coaches se him as a starter. I always felt he was a back-up and I think the expectations of a franchise loaded on the shoulders of a kid that would have been a star as a role player. He will go somewhere with less expectations and do just fine.

"As for Favre giving everything he had to give, well, there are thousands of working Americans who give everything they have to give to their jobs, just to support their families and for a lot less than Favre received. If it's poignant for Favre to "retire" a multi-millionaire after only 17 years then it must be tragic for the average joe to retire after 40 years unsure if he has enough put away to live on and worried that illness will take that away.

Sorry, but I just don't see the poignancy of Favre's situation."

 Not often anyone speaks up for the Meat and Potatoes of this Country, People like me. I just want to say THANK-YOU!!

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Ruffneck, Starbuck, Gregory jones,

 I'm also of the working class of America. And though I do see your point and where you're coming from I also think that your comments are a bit harsh. Favre did give a lot  to this game that we watch and AS FAR AS SPORTS IS CONCERNED his retiring is important. I've always worked in places that honored those that put in 40 years of service and it was important to them AS FAR AS WE "REGULAR" PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED. I don't mean any disrespect to any of my fellow cowboy fans but I do think your comments were a bit over the top. I for one will miss Favre and will always remember that he never won a game in Dallas.

Ruffnek said:

No surprise that Favre wanted to be a Cowboy as a kid. The Saints sucked eggs big time back then. I'm sure he had more fun playing Captain America than he would have wearing an Aint bag.

As for Favre giving everything he had to give, well, there are thousands of working Americans who give everything they have to give to their jobs, just to support their families and for a lot less than Favre received. If it's poignant for Favre to "retire" a multi-millionaire after only 17 years then it must be tragic for the average joe to retire after 40 years unsure if he has enough put away to live on and worried that illness will take that away.

Sorry, but I just don't see the poignancy of Favre's situation.

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Easy buddy,

Its not really that big of a deal.  No need to get all goth and grim on life.  I'm sure Brett meant no disrespect to the millions of people in America's labor force.  The media asks him questions and he answers like any human being.

Good job NTTexas.

  It is easy to give some who has more than u do a hard time for what THEY EARNED!!! Brett put a face on the game of football that NO ONE ELSE has. He showed us that eventhough he makes millions doing hisJOB. He also showed us he was a human being just like us. He is on hell of an athelete and a man. Congrats to him foe being able to do what ALOT of QB's in this league could not even come close to doing. I rooted against him like we all did. NOW I applaude and cheer him for the Good things and the good plays he has bleesed us with the chance to watch. A player like this does not come along every day.  

Ruffneck, Starbuck, Gregory Jones,

Well-put and well-said. It's amazing how people want to treat a guy like some kind of hero for living the charmed life and playing a game to earn a living for 17 years and more money than he could spend in 20 lifetimes, while real heroes go unsung every day. Heroes like firemen and servicemen and women. No one is crying them a river like everyone is poor fav-ruh. I know people who have died defending this Country (and I know you do too, Starbuck) and their families live in poverty without even decent health care!!!!

No-one is begrudging fav-ruh what he has done, but the point was don't ask us to feel sorry for a multi-millionaire who is rich, famous, and set for life after a 17 year career, because that isn't going to cut it.

The Widowmaker said:

Ruffneck, Starbuck, Gregory Jones,

Well-put and well-said. It's amazing how people want to treat a guy like some kind of hero for living the charmed life and playing a game to earn a living for 17 years and more money than he could spend in 20 lifetimes, while real heroes go unsung every day. Heroes like firemen and servicemen and women. No one is crying them a river like everyone is poor fav-ruh. I know people who have died defending this Country (and I know you do too, Starbuck) and their families live in poverty without even decent health care!!!!

No-one is begrudging fav-ruh what he has done, but the point was don't ask us to feel sorry for a multi-millionaire who is rich, famous, and set for life after a 17 year career, because that isn't going to cut it.

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Feel sorry for him? Nah! I'm sure there are a lot of us that would have loved to play a game for 17 years and never had a monetary worry. He's lived a blessed life and fulfilled his dreams (except for the one about being a Cowboy) I thank him for the effort he gave to the game AND the fact that he could never win in Texas Stadium though.

Ruffneck, Starbuck, Gregory Jones,

Well-put and well-said. It's amazing how people want to treat a guy like some kind of hero for living the charmed life and playing a game to earn a living for 17 years and more money than he could spend in 20 lifetimes, while real heroes go unsung every day. Heroes like firemen and servicemen and women. No one is crying them a river like everyone is poor fav-ruh. I know people who have died defending this Country (and I know you do too, Starbuck) and their families live in poverty without even decent health care!!!!

No-one is begrudging fav-ruh what he has done, but the point was don't ask us to feel sorry for a multi-millionaire who is rich, famous, and set for life after a 17 year career, because that isn't going to cut it.

I think a point is being missed here. No one is feeling sorry for him at all. His carrer and accomplishments is what we are talking about. I served this country as a United States Marine. I agree that these guys are paid ALOT of money. And yes we do treat them like heros sometimes. However players like Emmitt Smithe, Troy Aikman, Daryl Johnston, Micheal Irvin........... and the list can go on. When Our Cowboy Greats retire we celebrate them. Is it because Farve was not a Cowboy the reason why we are all complaining so much?

Cowboy Marine,

I served my country as a Marine too. Recon, in fact, WIA, decorated, meritorious promotions, lots of specialty and dangerous ops. Guys I was with, they were heroes, and none of them were Brett Favre. They weren't paid millions, nor were they on every T.V. station, radio station, and newspaper 24/7 either. That's what bothers the common man, all the "poor Favre" talk.

Farve was a decent QB who was very likable and had a lot of love for the game, but they are making it sound like the freakin NFL is going to shut down now if Favre isn't here.

There was never ANY Cowboy legend that retired and got one-one hundredth of this amount of press coverage, and Staubach alone was 10 times the QB Favre was. When that sort of coverage occurs for a Cowboys player (which will be never) then there is possibly grounds for that analogy.

Bob Hayes,

Let's NOT get back to draft talk since that isn't the topic of this blog. Nor Is it Pacman, or Dunn. Your post has been deleted, as all off-topic posts always will be, other than in the Blog Lounge.

As per the rules of this site, stay on topic or take it elsewhere. There are plenty of places all over this site where the things you posted are being discussed, and you can discuss them there. This is your last warning.

Jones had plenty of chances to show his stuff. Barber is a more powerful runner and could get the first down on those third down passes. Jones just could not break tackles in our system. If he could get to the second level he is dangerous but he could not break through the line. Barber just out played him. Jones had some nice runs usuallly called back for holding or he would not have gotten through the line.

I enjoy and agree with some of all of your comments. I would say that with respect to Favre; he was not making himself superior over anyone. I really enjoyed watching him speak. However, it is true that in this country we make heros out of people who should not be. Our heros should be people like soldiers, firemen, people who help the needy, missionaries, pastors, nurses, fathers, mothers, grandparents, and people who give their lives to serve a cause worth dying for. Unfortunately, we don't even hear when some of these die (even in tragic circumstances), but we do hear when an athelete retires from a game! As far as I am concerned; I am kind of split on what to think of Favre in the end. Part of me appreciates the boyish enthusiasm, and part of me is disappointed in things I see. I would first say that announcers and others need to stop treating him like some kind of saint. If his greatest achievement was his streak of games then we would all have to say that it is tainted because he was addicted to pain killers during part of that time which allowed him to play every game. I also believe that one reason he cannot be considered one of the greatest ever is because he cost his teams as much as he helped them. He won only one Superbowl, and his interceptions had a lot to do with that. By the way, he also set the record for that! Not to mention that many of his "big numbers" were put up do to the system he played in (i.e. Joe Montana, Steve Young, and Dan Marino) and the fact that he often had great receivers but no runningback (i.e. dido). On top of all of that, his life's story is definately not to be coveted. Although the media puts a great spin on his life; Favre was volitile and out of control for the most part. However, I don't want to down the man too much because that is too easy for someone who can remain unknown. The point is that we need to realize that we live in the land of propoganda. We are told what others want us to know and how they want us to know it through the media. Anyone can be made a saint or a devil based on how the person presenting the info. is slanted. Favre was a great talent (maybe the greatest talent ever), but he should go down as simply a good QB who did some great things, and who benefited from the system he played in, while falling short of his potential due to his over confidence. However, he should be in the Hall of Fame.    

they ought to get him in the HoF before the 5 year period is done

Borna,

Great post

Point taken.

There have really been some great points made on this on both sides. Good job peeps.

Either we have some awfully strong feelings about a non-Cowboys QB, or Favre is that big of an NFL icon, or it's the offseason and we are short on things to discuss, lol.

Two quick points.. You're not a NFL fan if you don't like watching Brett Farve play football.  His style of play will always be remembered and you never thought once he was playing for the money.  He was playing because it was fun and the money is a bonus.

I've always been a Julius fan since watching him at Notre Dame.  I remember weeks before the draft predicting that if Parcells trades out of the first round, Julius Jones was my darkhorse candidate to be drafted in the second round.  He doesn't have to live up to the last 8 games of his rookie season anymore.  He was always a guy who needed carries and unfortunately we couldn't offer that to him.  The Seahawks have a good passing game, so I wouldn't be shocked if he put up very good numbers in Seattle.  This time next year, we all will be saying where was that when we needed it.

Talbert,

I could take or leave Brett Favre. He was spectacular at times, and so lame at other times that he killed his team's chances. Personally, I wouldn't put him in the class of the best QBs ever, other than for longevity.

He was a throwback, who pretty much stayed out of trouble other than the painkiller thing, and that could have happened to anyone (unusual for players nowadays to stay out of trouble so well) and was dedicated and a hard worker with genuine love for the game, and like I said before, these things helped to make him very likable.

You may be right that since I don't garner any particular joy from watching Favre play, I may not be an NFL fan. I never considered myself an NFL fan. I am a Dallas Cowboys fan.

Not an NFL fan if I don't like watching Favre play? Please.

Top Reasons why I HATE watching Favre play.

1) I've always found it ridiculous how the announcers never mention Favre's drug addiction.

2) I've always found it ridilculous how the announcers overlook Brett's shortcomings as a player.

3) I find it extremely annoying that I have to listen to the same 6 canned corn Brett Favre stories from the game announcers who, in EVERY GAME, treats the viewing audience as if this is the first time they have heard of him. This is more the media's fault, that they no longer respect the intelligent football fan, but it manifests itself in Favre like no other NFL entity and I will be happy to see it go.

4) I am esctatic that I don't have to watch 4 hours of the Brett Favre story on the pre-game shows every time Green Bay is in the game of the week. Again, the medias doing, but since they obviously can't be regulated, eliminating the source is the best remedy.

5) He played for the team that ruled the NFC immediately after my favorite team did, am I missing something here?

I recently retired after busting it for a lot of years without making anywhere near the kind of money Favre and others enjoyed in the NFL. However, it was Favre and these other players, especially the Cowboys, that provided the entertainment on weekends for me to take my mind off my hard work. He and others provided thrills and a respite from the everyday grind. They continue to entertain me in my retirement. While I envy the money they have made, I still appreciate the many hours of enjoyment they have provided me. You won't catch me feeling sorry for Favre--he has been truly blessed, which he mentioned. But, I do respect him for what he has accomplished and I won't begrudge him his retirement.

KD Kingpin--Bravo, couldn't have said it much better.  Favre is a good, not great QB.  Horribly overrated by the fawning media masses, granted he had a rocket arm but he trusted it way too much and therefore made some of the worst most illadvised passes in NFL history.  And he got a free pass on that, because he was presumably "so good for the game".  

He was an arrogant ass who didn't even have the class to shake Romo's hand after the Cowboys dressed him down earlier this year.  HE stood on the sideline the whole game, and left with a minute to go once it became clear that Dallas was going to win.  What a jerk.  Again, not a mention in the media.  Same as with his painkiller and booze habit.  Always glossed over.  TO has one accidental overdose and it's headline news for three months.  Favre goes to rehab--TWICE--and it's conveniently forgotten.  

I for one couldnt' be happier that this overrated blowhard is done.  It will be nice to see some objective coverage instead of a sickening lovefest every time GB plays.  I take great joy in the fact that the last pass he ever threw was a horrible INT that cost his team a shot at the Super Bowl.  A fitting end to a guy who made a habit of throwing horrible game changing INT's.  Not that the media would ever mention that--they're too busy jocking his strengths and ignoring his weaknesses.  

like I said, Favre is a good, not great QB, whose stats are largely the result of his ironman streak (aided in part, I'm sure, by his lust for vicodin and old crow).  Good riddance Favre.

And for the record, I am a huge NFL fan, an even bigger Cowboys fan, and watching Brett Favre doesn't bring me any joy.  Unless of course, he's playing at Dallas--then it brings me joy because I know he's suck like he always does and the 'Boys will get a big win.

Good riddance Favre.  Your annoying presence is finally gone from us.  We can now watch the National Football League again, instead of the National Favre Lovers, which it has been for the past few years.  Sickening.

I just read the piece Mikey did on Julius Jones and he is so right.  We didn't know how good we had it with both JJ and the Barbarian in the backfield.  With the Barbarian's style of run, he can't help but get injured or worn out if he is the sole ball carrier. Now I like the passing game but if you've got no run at all, we aren't going far.  We need another running back.  They should sign Tyson Thompson just as insurance.  I think he had something that needed to age a bit, particularly speed.

How can  you say Farve should be known as a good QB who did great things, then turn around and say he belongs in the Hall??? SO you know they dont let GOOD QBs in, only the GREATS, and he Love em or Hate em was a GREAT QB PERIOD!

I always, ALWAYS routed against him, for obvious reasons, but watching all of this unfold now, I realized he is the type of guy I could hang with, play golf with, have a few beers with.  I applaud him for his TOUGHNESS and Love for the game.

And anyone to say his stats are all because of the system he was in, just remember this he did it all without anyone who will ever be considered for the HALL at WR, TE or RB.  How many HOF QBs can say that?

NONE!

Farve did what he did and he was dammend good at it.  Yeah he's a multi-mill. and i'm just a working stiff but we're both fans of the game.  I don't feel sorry for him, just for the fact that he has to give up what he loves.  I will miss his rivalry with the boys.  Good luck Brett Farve......

And anyone to say his stats are all because of the system he was in, just remember this he did it all without anyone who will ever be considered for the HALL at WR, TE or RB.  How many HOF QBs can say that?

NONE!

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Wrong--Dan Marino, John Elway, Joe Namath to name a few.  Fran Tarkenton also.  All Hall of Famers, and I cant think of a single receiver, TE, or back they played with that was a stud.  Terrell Davis is the closest, but he was a quick flash in the pan.  Not likely a hall of famer.  You gonna tell me Mark Clayton was better for Marino than Sterling Sharp?  Was Elway's Clarence Kay a better TE than Mark Chmura?  No on both counts.

Maybe if Favre was a better QB instead of a drunken pill popping gunslinger, the guys around him would have been hall of famers instead of just cogs.