bwright:

RomoRocks:

bwright:

You see gdogg24...this is the kind of conversation I enjoy...Give and take.  Some of these guys act like I just shot their dog andslapped their Momma when I say that Barber needs to share carries to stay fresh. The fact of the matter is, Barber can't last long in this league if he doesn't learn to step out of bounds or juke..anything to avoid taking huge hits two and three times every single time he gets the ball. Barb er is extremely effective when his legs are fresh, and he can pound the ball. But watch carefully when we play a team with a Fast, swarming, aggressive Defensive line. Barber wears down faster when he is met by three and four guys at the line and gang tackled. JJ has some escapability in that situation, becasue he is looking to avoid contact, where Barber runs straight at it. We do need both backs, and Barber definately nees to stay fresh to be effective!

Who's arguing about sharing carries? NOT ME. I've said it before I have no problem with sharing carries, I have a problem with sharing carries with Julius Jones. Barber needs a better back to share those carries with.

You're  trying to cover JJ's poor performance tracks by accusing our best RB of wearing out and tiring down like he can't even handle 15 to 18 carries. Thats crap and you know it. He's done more than that and he'll continue to do so.

Show me a single post where I said that JJ is a better back that Barber!  I never have! I am not trying to cover anything, just prove that Barber needs to share carries in order to be a good back. I am trying to prove that Barber DOES  tire down the stretch. JJ is a consistantly average back in this system. He does not belong in a tandem back system,a nd would do better with more carries and rushing plays designed for him and his speed  (such as the sweep, pitch out, delay etc) Instead, he is given the ball and told to run off tackle, where a back needs more power (which Barber has). Barber does not get many sweeps and pitch outs, because he doesn't have the speed to beat the line to the edge. Think about it...we run more down your throat type plays than outside runs. More plays that allow Barber's skills to be used to the best of HIS abilities. If our Offens ewas designe dto utilyze JJ's skills, we would call more sweeps, more pitches, more plays that rely on a back with speed to get to the outside. Your wish has been granted all along and you were too stubborn to realize it.

"I am trying to prove that Barber DOES  tire down the stretch." 

But you can't do it because it's not true.

I'll agree that our rushing plays do not play to Jones' strong point which is speed. I don't pretend to know why they have designed it that way. I have often wondered why they don't try more sweeps etc to use JJ's speed. I don't know the answer to that. What I DO know is that JJ is not producing good enough under the system we have. Our running game would benefit from adding a better back to run with Barber. If we can get a better back than Barber, so much the better! I have no problem with the Cowboys sharing carries for the RBs if thats what they want.

"Your wish has been granted all along and you were too stubborn to realize it."

I've told you before I have no wish for JJ's failure. I'm looking for success for the Dallas Cowboys,  not JJ, Barber, or any other individual. I have favorite players just like you do, but I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan FIRST, and an individual player fan SECOND. If JJ was doing the job he was recruited to do, we'd ALL BE HAPPY! But regardless of the reason, JJ has not played up to his potential ever since his rookie year, and the stats prove it.

I contend that we need a better back to run with Barber next year.

bwright:

You see gdogg24...this is the kind of conversation I enjoy...Give and take.  Some of these guys act like I just shot their dog andslapped their Momma when I say that Barber needs to share carries to stay fresh. The fact of the matter is, Barber can't last long in this league if he doesn't learn to step out of bounds or juke..anything to avoid taking huge hits two and three times every single time he gets the ball. Barb er is extremely effective when his legs are fresh, and he can pound the ball. But watch carefully when we play a team with a Fast, swarming, aggressive Defensive line. Barber wears down faster when he is met by three and four guys at the line and gang tackled. JJ has some escapability in that situation, becasue he is looking to avoid contact, where Barber runs straight at it. We do need both backs, and Barber definately nees to stay fresh to be effective!

Oh no you mean selective stat guy?   

                       Att       Yards        YPC     Rushing TDs    Receiving TDs

Just show me where Barber is proven as a starter "every down back" in the NFL or College. Barber is a great "share" back, Jones should have never lost his carries after returning from his injury. Parcells F'ed that up ! Some say Julius isn't the same as his rookie season, THAT"S BECAUSE HE HASN"T HAD THE CARRIES HE DID SINCE HIS ROOKIE SEASON. 1 proven 1 not. 1 has shown signs of greatness 1 has shown plays of greatness. Jones is a feature runningback. END OF STORY! I bet if he got 30 touches he'd have 150 total yards against any of our our last 3 opponents.

likestheboys:

                       Att       Yards        YPC     Rushing TDs    Receiving TDs

Barber	169	839	5.0             9                      2
Jones	141	550	3.9             2                    Zero

 

The numbers don't lie likestheboys.

RomoRocks:

likestheboys:

                       Att       Yards        YPC     Rushing TDs    Receiving TDs

Barber	169	839	5.0             9                      2
Jones	141	550	3.9             2                    Zero

 

 

The numbers don't lie likestheboys.

You would have to be blind not to see that MBII is just a BEAST and no problem getting 25 carries a game and we dont want to stat running a guy 30 times a game anyway JuJo fans are just blinded by their love of the player come on MBIII is just a stud and JuJo is ok but no where near DaBarbarian

RomoRocks:

likestheboys:

                       Att       Yards        YPC     Rushing TDs    Receiving TDs

Barber	169	839	5.0             9                      2
Jones	141	550	3.9             2                    Zero

 

 

The numbers don't lie likestheboys.

 

More numbers that don't lie would be Julius' 494 yards on 108 carries through 5 games last year before Parcells decided that "sharing" was the better way to go. That's not  "clinging to his rookie season" or anything of the sort.. That's dealing with LAST season. Julius was jammin last year until Parcells decided to lighten his load. That opened the door for Barber who again no one would deny Barber has taken his opportunity and "run with it."  But for anyone to deny that Julius was gittin busy up to that point is sheer lunacy. Jones' production in his rookie season ranks among the top 5 rookie running backs of all time for their first 8 games. I would say that's a higher level than Barber has performed so far. He then put up 7 yard short of a thou in 12 games his second season.. Much of that while splitting time with Barber.. especially after his return from the injury.. I would put that ahead of anything Barber's done thus far as well.. So there are three separate stretches in three different seasons when Julius performed at a level equal or better than what we're currently seeing from Barber. His rookie season, his second season and the first 5 games of last year. All around 90 yards a game.. Yes most of the TDs and 4th quarter carries started going to Barber about the middle of '05 unless Julius was just beasting like the Carolina game that year.. But that's what it takes for him to get late game carries..  While Barber can average 2 ypc all game long and still get those 4th quarter carries as he's done twice this year..  Yes it works.. but the there's no point in dismissing Julius' achievements to try and pump up Barber. 

bwright:

Hoosier Daddy:

Cowboys4life34:

http://www.nfl.com/players/marionbarber/gamelogs?id=BAR059695&season=2005

Tell me again how barber carried the load? he started 3 games and his ypc went down after the 3rd game.

What on earth are you looking at? The two times in those stats that Barber got the ball over 20 times he had 95 and 127 yards and averaged  4.3 and 4.7 yards per carry with a 27 yard Touchdown! Are you trying to prove my point? Thanks for the help, but I like this one better....... the first 13 games of 2007 he averages 5.0 yards per carry, is on pace for 1000 yards as a part timer, and hasn't so much as limped. "The proof is in the pudding." Terrell Owens.

Caressing the stats again I see. Break it down in season halves then. In the first 7 games, Barber had an average YPC of 5.59...in the last six games, that average dropped to 4.26 ypc. He had four games in which he averaged less than 3.5ypc...three of which were in the last six games. Sure looks like he has gotten tired and his production slowed to me.  You are right..."the proof IS in the pudding". here is a breakdown.

week 1 N.Y. 11 carries for 65 yards..5.9 ypc

week 2Mia 14 carries for 89 yards 6.3 ypc

Week 3 Chi 15 carries for 102 yards 6.8 ypc

Week 4 Rams  8 carries for 50 yards 6.25 ypc

Week 5 Buff 8 carries for 28 yards 3.5 ypc

Week 6 N.E. 9 carries for 49 yards 5.0 ypc

Week 7 Minn 19 carries for 96 yards 5.0 ypc

Bye

Week 9 Phil 16 carries for 56 yards 3.5 ypc

Week 10 N.Y. 12 carries for 34 yards 2.8 ypc

Week 11 Wash 15 carries for 43 yards 2.8 ypc 

Week 12 Jets 18 carries for 103 yards 5.7 ypc

Week 13 GB 17 carries for 81 yards 4.7 ypc

Week 14 Det 7 carries for 43 yards 6.1 ypc

 Please note the dismal showing in our most important games...Division games! By the way... The Jets are a 3-10 team...ypc 5.7....Detroit is a 6-7 team ypc 6.1     Rams are 3-10  YPC 6.25....Miami is..well Miami.0-13 .YPC 6.3...Chicago is 5-8 YPC 6.8

Barber's biggest games came against terrible teams, mostly in the fourth quarter. You can't deny the stats. Barber's production dropped in the second half of the season, when his carries were increased. The first seven games he averaged 10.5 carries per game. The last six, he averaged 14.1 carries per game..(the spoiler being Detroit w/ only 7 ). Come on guys,...Barber is human...not a God. The punishment he dishes to himself by looking for contact will take it's toll...don't fool yourselves. The Humasn body can only take so many hits before it begins to break down. If Barber wants to be an "Elite" back, he needs to learn to juke, spin, and avoid contact when it isn't necessary. That is the best way to prolong his career and keep him from tiring as the season wears on. If JJ wasn't in the game, and Barber had to carry the load himself, I can guarentee you his YPC would drop evenm farther. Barber NEEDS JJ this season, and will need to share carries whether he stays here or goes to another team via Rosenhaus.

Right, he looked like he's really wearing down in Detroit, but I forgot it was because they suck. Even with his worst three games he averages 5.0 yards per carry. That argument about wearing down is getting old and makes less and less sense every week he kicks ass and Julius watches. 10-15 carries more isn't going to kill him. It would be fine if he could split carries with a good running back, I have no problem admitting you'll last longer in the end if you don't get hit 40 times a game, but Julius is not a running threat. It kills me to watch Julius Jones go hit a lineman in the back when I know Barber or 80 percent of NFL running backs could've done better. That's why I have such a problem with Barber sharing carries.

Good Lord this thread is huge, resetting this.