Hoosier Daddy:

Tell the scouting department and coaches about those mindless absolutes. If they went back to the past and took your "analytical" approach JJ would have a contract right now. Those observations are why he doesn't and Barber gets a majority of the carries, especially in the fourth quarter when it's time to bring it home. He's the best back we've had in a long time and had a great season, you can't change those facts or "mindless absolutes" if you prefer to live blindly. It's cool if you want to downplay Barbers success, I'm just glad you have an open mind so when the time comes you can reverse course with dignity.

Less than a thousand yards and 10 TD is not a "great season." Let us be clear on that.  And by your own logic those same scouts and coaches (by the way the scouting department spends ZERO time evaluating our current players) have chosen not to give Barber a contract either in case you haven't noticed. As for the best back we've had in a long time.  Maybe he is.. but I can't find a single quote from any of our coaches (or our scouting department) stating any such thing.. now can I find any of them deriding Julius with those "mindless absolutes" you guys seem so happy to engage in. The guy had a down year.. BFD.. it happens.. If... wait WHEN Barber has an off year it's going to be interesting to see what you people have to say then..  though I'm sure it'll be the coaching staff, the o-line, the scouting department of whoever's fault.. not his.. Just like the -6 yards game was not hs fault.. Or the -2 yard game against the Saints last year wasn't.. or the 3 yard breakout against Seattle in the playoffs last year.. And even though we had several games with double digit leads heading into the 4th quarter despite Barber not having cracked 50 yards rushing to that point.. "The team doesn't play well when he's not running well."  It's clear that you Barber supporters are always going to turn a blind eye to Barber's sh*tty performances and pretend that if you don't acknowledge them they didn't really happen.  Those of us who dare to admit we think Jones is worth keeping around acknowledge that he has not performed well this year and really probably just never will adapt to being platooned or to our current blocking scheme. He's simply a bad fit which is why despite liking the guy, I am rooting for him to get out of Dallas. And yes.. I fully expect him to go somewhere else and crank out 1200 yard seasons regularly if he can find the right situation..  I am also rooting for Barber to run for 1200 yard seasons for US for the next 5 years as well.. I just have not seen enough from him to believe that will happen..  but believe me.. having been a Cowboy fan for almost 40 years.. I will be rooting HEAVILY FOR IT!!

Barber gives something to the team that jones just can't bottom line MBIII is  the guy that earned his respect here and jones couldn't cut it I 've  given up on Julius haveing that breakout redeaming game he's had all year to show what he's got no Parcells to controll his running style and yet he's been less productive and showed even less than before

RonnieT24:

Hoosier Daddy:

Tell the scouting department and coaches about those mindless absolutes. If they went back to the past and took your "analytical" approach JJ would have a contract right now. Those observations are why he doesn't and Barber gets a majority of the carries, especially in the fourth quarter when it's time to bring it home. He's the best back we've had in a long time and had a great season, you can't change those facts or "mindless absolutes" if you prefer to live blindly. It's cool if you want to downplay Barbers success, I'm just glad you have an open mind so when the time comes you can reverse course with dignity.

 

 

Less than a thousand yards and 10 TD is not a "great season." Let us be clear on that.  And by your own logic those same scouts and coaches (by the way the scouting department spends ZERO time evaluating our current players) have chosen not to give Barber a contract either in case you haven't noticed. As for the best back we've had in a long time.  Maybe he is.. but I can't find a single quote from any of our coaches (or our scouting department) stating any such thing.. now can I find any of them deriding Julius with those "mindless absolutes" you guys seem so happy to engage in. The guy had a down year.. BFD.. it happens.. If... wait WHEN Barber has an off year it's going to be interesting to see what you people have to say then..  though I'm sure it'll be the coaching staff, the o-line, the scouting department of whoever's fault.. not his.. Just like the -6 yards game was not hs fault.. Or the -2 yard game against the Saints last year wasn't.. or the 3 yard breakout against Seattle in the playoffs last year.. And even though we had several games with double digit leads heading into the 4th quarter despite Barber not having cracked 50 yards rushing to that point.. "The team doesn't play well when he's not running well."  It's clear that you Barber supporters are always going to turn a blind eye to Barber's sh*tty performances and pretend that if you don't acknowledge them they didn't really happen.  Those of us who dare to admit we think Jones is worth keeping around acknowledge that he has not performed well this year and really probably just never will adapt to being platooned or to our current blocking scheme. He's simply a bad fit which is why despite liking the guy, I am rooting for him to get out of Dallas. And yes.. I fully expect him to go somewhere else and crank out 1200 yard seasons regularly if he can find the right situation..  I am also rooting for Barber to run for 1200 yard seasons for US for the next 5 years as well.. I just have not seen enough from him to believe that will happen..  but believe me.. having been a Cowboy fan for almost 40 years.. I will be rooting HEAVILY FOR IT!!

gdogg24:

Barber gives something to the team that jones just can't bottom line MBIII is  the guy that earned his respect here and jones couldn't cut it I 've  given up on Julius haveing that breakout redeaming game he's had all year to show what he's got no Parcells to controll his running style and yet he's been less productive and showed even less than before

I don't think what you say about his "having all year to show what he's got" is true. He only got to double digit carries 6 times this year.. and to 20 carries NONE.  The coaching staff decided very early in the season (like the opener) that they were going to go with Barber.. And that's fine... clearly the energy he brought to the game infected the rest of the team.. However in doing so it stuck Julius in  a role he had never had to play.. which was a guy who was going to 9-10 carries a game.. For a back who had never been in that position  before that placed him at a disadvantage and those of us who know the value of having TWO good backs rooted for him to adapt.. But he didn't .. so his days in Dallas are numbered..  No biggie.. but let us not twist the facts..  Julius has (probably) spent his entire football life as a 20 carry a game back..  This utilization pattern we employed this year is brand new to him.. and he failed under it. But that he failed in this situation does not change the fact that when we DID use him the way he was used to, he was pretty good.. and sometimes just plain great.. 

One last thing.. even though Parcells aint around.. it's very easy to see Parcells' influence on his running style..  Notice how rarely he bounces or uses the cutback lane.. all things he did with great success early on in his career BEFORE Parcells beat it out of him.  

what that tells me is that Barber has earned the confidence of the coaches and as a result Barber has been given more of the carries. He has brought energy to the offense that energy he provides proved valuable as well and as Julius can't provide that spark he was reduced to his current role and yes he had time to adapt to getting around 10 carries to hit that homerun and he really hasn't hit one all season and in those touches he's gotten he really hasn't proved very productive and yes he did have his moments before the rise of MBIII but still if Julius was truly the better back he would be able to get it done with the opportunities he was given and I don't see how parcells could be to blame for how he's running now since Jones said himself that he was going to go back to running how he used to using his instincts and whatnot I think going so far as to say that Julius is tramatized by Parcells so much so that he won't run the way he did before is a little much

RonnieT24:

Hoosier Daddy:

He had a few good games in 4 years so now he's proven he can carry the load and carry this team to the Superbowl. Maybe you should tell the coaches and JJ how good he used to be so they'll resign him. No, it's not carrying this team.

Why do you like picking out one or two situations. You like the past so lets look at the entire four years he's been here and then more accurately what he's done lately. He barely broke 1000 yards last year on 267 carries. Just under 1000 yards the year before that on 257 carries and was hurt the first season. He's a good backup or a below average starter. Barber nearly hit 1000 yards on 204 carries and should have if our team had shown up. Everyone still hangs on to 2004 when Jones broke 800 yards in 8 games. That guy is gone. Like 28s man-crush Hambrick, like Quincy Carter, like the Tuna, he's not coming back. I really do understand, he was amazing, coming out of nowhere when other teams weren't expecting a running game from us and ripping off 70 yarders.That was a perfect example of what you call a "Flash in the Pan".

 

 

Sorry dude..  I aint "hangin on to 2004".. and I don't speak in mindless absolutes like "always runs into the back of his linemen" or "falls down at first contact" .. I'll leave that to the Barber-ians. I try to be a little more enlightened and analytical about the whole thing. Just as I have not annointed Barber anythng more than  what he is I have have been more than willing to acknowledge Julius failings..  Yet you seem unwilling to even HEAR about Barber's... YOU are the one who posted the stats that prove he is below average when we are behind and runs wild when we're ahead.. averaging almost a full 2 ypc more when we're ahead vs when we're behind.. That along with the number of games I've shown in which he was averaging below 4 ypc heading into the 4th quarter despite the fact that we had double digit leads  which again contradicts your argument that "the team doesn't play well when Barber isn't running well." I've got 4 blowout wins that were blowouts before Barber cracked the 50 yard mark for the game that say different.. You can belittle those facts, come up with cute cliches.. whatever suits you.. However try as you might you cannot CHANGE those facts..  I am not hear to argue that Julius Jones is "the next Emmitt" .. only that overall what I've seen of Barber suggests that neither is he.. But unlike you and the rest of man-crush sufferers.. I am still open to having my mind changed through performance. 

I think you are hanging on to 2004 a little bit too much.  It's not like that is a bad thing.  We all have to judge the players based on their past performances.  So..lets look at these guys and see what we got.  MBIII in his past to the present, has shown improvement year to year.  And from my viewpoint, it's pretty impressive.  Jones has been up and down.  Not really any consistency.  Good in bursts but is steadily showing his ability could be declining.  I guess we could blame that on MB...but, Jones opportunities are still there, he simply doesn't produce.

Both back are young and has some time to find their groove.  Presently, MB is in it more so than JJ.   

I'm all about wishing that Jones could be better than what he is.  I would love to see him do as well or better than Emmitt or Barber or even '04 Jones...whoever.  He reminds me of when we had Eddie George.  He was a decorated veteran but he just couldn't get it done. Then Jones comes in fresh, new, and bright eyed and does one hell of a job.  While Jones isn't necessarily a decorated vet, he had some good games in the past.  But he is not "good" on a consistent level.  And I think consistency has a lot with to do with how good a player is.

The whole stats about MB doing better while we are winning vs losing are the most misleading stats I ever saw.  Ever remember Madden saying on TV in the early to mid 90's that when Emmitt has over 100 yards Dallas has a record of many wins vs. little losses?  That's just one example, but just about every single time a team is winning, they have a tendancy to do well running and passing.  They kind of go hand in hand and one supports the other.  IF MB struggled while we won on a consistent bases then we def. have issues with our RB.   Jones struggles winning or losing so far this year.  Consistently.

There are not any situations you can find showing MB does bad on a consistent basis.  We've had 3 losses this year.  We didn't lose consistently enough this year to find out anything as far as what MB can do in a losing situation.  He has had some games he didn't do so well.  I def. give you that.  But once again, Jones consistenly does worse.

Dallas is a pass first oriented team as well.  MB and Jones only get a few chances to show they shine and b/c they split the load each have even FEWER chances to show they can shine.  Only 1 RB has shown he can be successful consistenly...and that is MB.  Regardless of the few bad things he has done, he has done enough to warrant him touching the ball more times than Jones.

RonnieT24:

Hoosier Daddy:

Tell the scouting department and coaches about those mindless absolutes. If they went back to the past and took your "analytical" approach JJ would have a contract right now. Those observations are why he doesn't and Barber gets a majority of the carries, especially in the fourth quarter when it's time to bring it home. He's the best back we've had in a long time and had a great season, you can't change those facts or "mindless absolutes" if you prefer to live blindly. It's cool if you want to downplay Barbers success, I'm just glad you have an open mind so when the time comes you can reverse course with dignity.

 

 

Less than a thousand yards and 10 TD is not a "great season." Let us be clear on that.  And by your own logic those same scouts and coaches (by the way the scouting department spends ZERO time evaluating our current players) have chosen not to give Barber a contract either in case you haven't noticed. As for the best back we've had in a long time.  Maybe he is.. but I can't find a single quote from any of our coaches (or our scouting department) stating any such thing.. now can I find any of them deriding Julius with those "mindless absolutes" you guys seem so happy to engage in. The guy had a down year.. BFD.. it happens.. If... wait WHEN Barber has an off year it's going to be interesting to see what you people have to say then..  though I'm sure it'll be the coaching staff, the o-line, the scouting department of whoever's fault.. not his.. Just like the -6 yards game was not hs fault.. Or the -2 yard game against the Saints last year wasn't.. or the 3 yard breakout against Seattle in the playoffs last year.. And even though we had several games with double digit leads heading into the 4th quarter despite Barber not having cracked 50 yards rushing to that point.. "The team doesn't play well when he's not running well."  It's clear that you Barber supporters are always going to turn a blind eye to Barber's sh*tty performances and pretend that if you don't acknowledge them they didn't really happen.  Those of us who dare to admit we think Jones is worth keeping around acknowledge that he has not performed well this year and really probably just never will adapt to being platooned or to our current blocking scheme. He's simply a bad fit which is why despite liking the guy, I am rooting for him to get out of Dallas. And yes.. I fully expect him to go somewhere else and crank out 1200 yard seasons regularly if he can find the right situation..  I am also rooting for Barber to run for 1200 yard seasons for US for the next 5 years as well.. I just have not seen enough from him to believe that will happen..  but believe me.. having been a Cowboy fan for almost 40 years.. I will be rooting HEAVILY FOR IT!!

That's 12 TDs, but I guess those don't count when your trying to twist the truth. 974 yards on 204 carries........ that's a great season. Clear enough? You seem to exclude the fact that he did it on limited carries and on a team that leans toward the pass. It appears the popular opinion of the fans, coaches and media also believe he had a great year, but maybe they turned a blind eye to the truth as well. I'm sure since Jones has never been to the Probowl, you'll say it's a popularity contest. To each his own.

Jones has had a down career with a few teases scattered throughout. Our coaches can't call it like they see it because Jones is still on the team, but other coaches have. Several including Mike Ditka have said he's one of the top three backs in the league and when's the last time you've heard someone say we need to contain Julius Jones. LOL. Our scouting department is busy scouting collegiate running backs to replace Jones, that should give you a clue as to what our team thinks of him.

I've acknowledged several times that Barber had a bad game in the meaningless finale to the season. He had -6 yards on 6 carries, Jones had 7 yards on 8 carries. BFD, like you put it. Our entire team sucked that day. Is Romo not worthy to carry the team because he had 87 yards and an INT? What about Witten and his 2 catches, does he suck? No, because they have produced all season like Barber. If they played like Jones ran the entire year, you could argue differenty. Nobody shows up for a ton of yards every game on a handfull of carries. It's impossible. You make the most of your carries which Barber has done consistently.

It's funny how you get on here and openly ridicule our best running back with comments like "WHEN Barber has an off year" and "turn a blind eye to Barber's sh*tty performances" or my personal favorite claiming your going to chuckle when Barber fails, and then you try and sweeten it up with " I am also  rooting for Barber". For the record when you say "YOU Barber supporters" it kind of gives away the fact that you don't support him. Stay the course, otherwise it's transparent and makes you look like a bad politician. I want Jones gone, so we can have an explosive one two punch and not a haymaker and a girly slap.

Re-setting this thread again