RonnieT24:

Here's a stat that I just found.. Last year JJ averaged 4.4 yards on carries 21-30 for the season.. 

Julius Jones has gotten incrementally better as his carry numbers went up.. Having his best per carry average in the 21-30 range.. and having his 11-20 be better than his 1-10 carries.

As a rookie in 2004, before he turned into a self proclaimed "Robot", His best numbers were in the first 10 carries where he averaged 4.7 YPC.

Carries 1-10...........4.7 YPC

          11- 20...........3.4

          21-30............4.5

First, the above 2004 season stats proves JJ does NOT need a warm up period. The 1st 10 carries avg was his BEST all season. 4.7 YPC. No warm up, no rythm to find, no missing groove, and best of all NO EXCUSES, just hand him the ball and he runs with it.

Second, using YOUR methodology, ( the same kind you used on Barber)

Carries 11-20  his avg dropped drastically to 3.4 YPC, proving he was out of condition and had "shot his wad" after ONLY 10 carries.

Carries 21 - 30 his avg jumped to 4.5. This was CLEARLY due to the "4th Qtr, Easy Yds, Tired Defense Syndrome".

http://www.nfl.com/players/juliusjones/situationalstats?id=JON514079&season=2004

In 2005 and 2006, his 1-10 carries per games were 3.6 & 3.9 YPC respectively, indicating he had found his TRUE performance level.

In both those seasons, the 11-20 and 21-30 averages went up, obviously reflecting the increased level of fatigue of opposing defenses.

At NO time has he ever averaged more than 4.2 for a season. His 2004 rookie season he avg 4.2 ypc, 2005 - 3.9, 2006 - 4.1, 2007- 3.6.

Lemme sum it up for you guys since yall don't seem to be able to stay on point and keep coming back to "waaahhh waaaah he won't say Barber is God" .. We beat the stuffings outta this team TWICE using Julius early and Barber late..  We had a proven working formula and we deviated from it for the playoffs.  Now had we won the game I would have said it was a good decision.. however since we DIDN'T win.. I feel perfectly justified in questioning the wisdom thereof. Not Barber's talent, not Barber's ability, not even his "coming to play for all 4 quarters." I'm sure he did.. But Michael Spinks came to fight 12 rounds against Mike Tyson.. He just came up 11 rounds and 2 minutes short after getting knocked upside the head.  "Coming to play" is nice.. it's a nice cliche that is.. but "coming to play" will not in and of itself win ballgames..  All this bullsh*t about how Barber was "the only one who came to play" is assinine.  You think Romo didn't come to play? TO, who was in tears after the loss didn't come to play? D-Ware and his relentless pressure didn't come to play? Newman who shadowed his man so well I  think the Giants threw exactly ONE pass in his direction all day didn't come to play. Again guys.. leave the mindless absolutes alone.. They don't fly. It is just amazing how you guys can continue to assert that when the team did well it was all Barber and then in the same breath complain that the reason Barber didn't do well later on in the game it was all somebody else..  The duplicity there is staggering.. Either the whole team (including Barber) played well when we were kicking ass and the whole team (including Barber) fell off in the second half.. This "everybody but Barber fell off in the second half" is the emptiest argument you guys have come up with yet. I hope you're not looking for me or anybody else to just accept it. 

RomoRocks:

RonnieT24:

Here's a stat that I just found.. Last year JJ averaged 4.4 yards on carries 21-30 for the season.. 

Julius Jones has gotten incrementally better as his carry numbers went up.. Having his best per carry average in the 21-30 range.. and having his 11-20 be better than his 1-10 carries.

As a rookie in 2004, before he turned into a self proclaimed "Robot", His best numbers were in the first 10 carries where he averaged 4.7 YPC.

Carries 1-10...........4.7 YPC

          11- 20...........3.4

          21-30............4.5

First, the above 2004 season stats proves JJ does NOT need a warm up period. The 1st 10 carries was his BEST of the day. 4.7 YPC. No warm up, no rythm, just hand him the ball and he runs with it.

Second, using YOUR methodology, ( the same kind you used on Barber)

Carries 11-20  his avg dropped drastically to 3.4 YPC, proving he was out of condition and had "shot his wad" after ONLY 10 carries.

Carries 21 - 30 his avg jumped to 4.5. This was CLEARLY due to the "4th Qtr, Easy Yds, Tired Defense Syndrome".

http://www.nfl.com/players/juliusjones/situationalstats?id=JON514079&season=2004

 

In 2005 and 2006, his 1-10 carries per games were 3.6 & 3.9 YPC respectively, indicating he had found his TRUE performance level.

In both those seasons, the 11-20 and 21-30 averages went up, obviously reflecting the increased level of fatigue of opposing defenses.

At NO time has he ever averaged more than 4.2 for a season. His 2004 rookie season he avg 4.2 ypc, 2005 - 3.9, 2006 - 4.1, 2007- 3.6.

 

I'm sorry.. are you "hanging on to 2004?"  Violation!!!  15 yard penalty and loss of down!   But I will gladly accept the validity of that data .. if you will go ahead and accept that Barber has shown that he tires in the +20 territory..   Take it or leave it. Moreover.. the fact that Julius best season ypc wise was when Parcells had the least impact on him is a given..  Back when he was a rook he was just runnin to daylight.. doin his thang.. Parcells "broke him of that over the next 2 years" and may have ruined him forever.. 

RonnieT24:

RomoRocks:

RonnieT24:

Here's a stat that I just found.. Last year JJ averaged 4.4 yards on carries 21-30 for the season.. 

Julius Jones has gotten incrementally better as his carry numbers went up.. Having his best per carry average in the 21-30 range.. and having his 11-20 be better than his 1-10 carries.

As a rookie in 2004, before he turned into a self proclaimed "Robot", His best numbers were in the first 10 carries where he averaged 4.7 YPC.

Carries 1-10...........4.7 YPC

          11- 20...........3.4

          21-30............4.5

First, the above 2004 season stats proves JJ does NOT need a warm up period. The 1st 10 carries was his BEST of the day. 4.7 YPC. No warm up, no rythm, just hand him the ball and he runs with it.

Second, using YOUR methodology, ( the same kind you used on Barber)

Carries 11-20  his avg dropped drastically to 3.4 YPC, proving he was out of condition and had "shot his wad" after ONLY 10 carries.

Carries 21 - 30 his avg jumped to 4.5. This was CLEARLY due to the "4th Qtr, Easy Yds, Tired Defense Syndrome".

http://www.nfl.com/players/juliusjones/situationalstats?id=JON514079&season=2004

 

In 2005 and 2006, his 1-10 carries per games were 3.6 & 3.9 YPC respectively, indicating he had found his TRUE performance level.

In both those seasons, the 11-20 and 21-30 averages went up, obviously reflecting the increased level of fatigue of opposing defenses.

At NO time has he ever averaged more than 4.2 for a season. His 2004 rookie season he avg 4.2 ypc, 2005 - 3.9, 2006 - 4.1, 2007- 3.6.

 

 

 

I'm sorry.. are you "hanging on to 2004?"  Violation!!!  15 yard penalty and loss of down!   But I will gladly accept the validity of that data .. if you will go ahead and accept that Barber has shown that he tires in the +20 territory..   Take it or leave it. 

Hey that sounds like we're making some headway here!

+ 20 territory? Sounds better than + 15. Hmmmm. (thinking) Sounds reasonable.  Don't know if it's accurate or not, but it sounds more reasonable.

RonnieT24:

Lemme sum it up for you guys since yall don't seem to be able to stay on point and keep coming back to "waaahhh waaaah he won't say Barber is God" .. We beat the stuffings outta this team TWICE using Julius early and Barber late..  We had a proven working formula and we deviated from it for the playoffs.  Now had we won the game I would have said it was a good decision.. however since we DIDN'T win.. I feel perfectly justified in questioning the wisdom thereof. Not Barber's talent, not Barber's ability, not even his "coming to play for all 4 quarters." I'm sure he did.. But Michael Spinks came to fight 12 rounds against Mike Tyson.. He just came up 11 rounds and 2 minutes short after getting knocked upside the head.  "Coming to play" is nice.. it's a nice cliche that is.. but "coming to play" will not in and of itself win ballgames..  All this bullsh*t about how Barber was "the only one who came to play" is assinine.  You think Romo didn't come to play? TO, who was in tears after the loss didn't come to play? D-Ware and his relentless pressure didn't come to play? Newman who shadowed his man so well I  think the Giants threw exactly ONE pass in his direction all day didn't come to play. Again guys.. leave the mindless absolutes alone.. They don't fly. It is just amazing how you guys can continue to assert that when the team did well it was all Barber and then in the same breath complain that the reason Barber didn't do well later on in the game it was all somebody else..  The duplicity there is staggering.. Either the whole team (including Barber) played well when we were kicking ass and the whole team (including Barber) fell off in the second half.. This "everybody but Barber fell off in the second half" is the emptiest argument you guys have come up with yet. I hope you're not looking for me or anybody else to just accept it. 

Do you have a laptop near your toilet? Where do you come up with this stuff? Who has ever said Barber is God? He's just a great running back, that averages around 115 yards a game when he gets the ball over 20 times. That's all, no God or Moses or little baby Jesus in his golden fleece diapers, just the Barbarian.

They all came to play, but very few players did anything. Coming to play and making plays are two different things. If you need help with that PM me and I'll explain later. The run worked early, the Gnats came out and stopped the run, and put pressure on Romo. No one else stepped up and made plays. Maybe they were hurt, or the play calling sucked, or they dropped balls. Either way you can't expect a hundred yards a half in the playoffs when the run is the only threat. It could happen, but it's not likely, especially against a defensive front like the Vagiants and with nothing else working. Watch the game again and tell me the offensive line didn't go to crap in the second half. If you have already watched it and you're still seriously trying to fool everyone, then this is pointless. I'll just continue to consider you amusement till the GB game, then  we'll have something else to talk about. 

adamante82:

RonnieT24:

gdogg24:

All I'm saying is of all the things that went wrong for us yesterday starting Barber wasn't one of them he gave us a quality game and what you want from a running back we have a good rushing attack for next season but we did lose so we'll have to wait till next season to see how our offense is with a consistent rushing attack

 

At no point have I or anyone else argued that starting Barber was  "wrong."  I have posted numerous times this year that I would like to see  Barber hammer the defense  for a while then use JJ's speed to outrun 'em once their tongues are hanging out.. Hell I even posted that last week after the word got out. My concern was and always has been that Barber has shown a tendecy to tire himself out when used heavily early on.. Nothing more nothing less.. Again, that's not a knock on him.. I love the effort .. but as I have repeated till I'm blue in the face, the coaches HAVE to do a better job of managing that.. You can't blow the guy out in the first half and then have him draggin in the second.. Especially in a dogfight game when it became clear we were really gonna need him in the 4th quarter. The children will construe this as some sort of "we gotta keep JJ" plea when nothing could be further from the truth. I and many others have stated that JJ's style clearly does not fit our system and the splitting carries thing clearly doesn't work for him so he's gonzo tomorrow if not sooner. I think Barber is a horse.. but as shown yesterday.. he's a quarterhorse not a stakes racer.. And there is nothing wrong with that.. Hopefully Jerry and coaches will find a good back to pair with him next year and we'll be good to go. 

 

Dude, the point is he wasn't tired in the 2nd half to the level you claim.  The offense was not effective as a whole.  Dropped passes, missed blocks, penalties...you name it, we kinda screwed ourselves over in the 2nd half.

I have no doubt that MB wished he would have done better in the 2nd half.  But so does the whole offense.  It's not called "being tired" when you touch a ball and you have numerous D-linemen in your face.  MB fresh couldn't have dealt with that.  Barry Sanders couldn't have either.  JUST b/c the 2nd half was a lower production half, you can not chalk it up to "oh, he was tired. I knew it."  I am sorry dude but you have to look at the whole picture.  The world doesn't revolve around Marion Barber.  It's ok to look everwhere within the offense to find out the "whys" and the "hows".  And for this game it was very obvious that the entire offense was not in sync in the 2nd half.  Perhaps the O-line was tired...I grant you that.  B/c they failed at practically every responsibility they could have.  They had penalties, they couldn't block normal def. line, couldn't pick up the blitz, couldn't pass block OR run block.

Romo's performance suffered b/c he was running for his life.  Which trickles down to the recievers suffering b/c they didn't get a good pas thrown their way or thrown at all.  And MB suffered b/c once he touched the football he had no where to run - the D-line had already penetrated into the backfield.

So was Romo tired?  Was all the receivers tired?  No.  Main focal point of "fault" would have to start at the O-line.  B/c everyone was affected.

If it was only MB who couldn't produce and everyone else was doing fine...then we may have to look a little closer and see if he had too many carries in the first half.  But as of right now, with the totality of what I have seen, it appears to me the O-line failed to maintain any responsiblities and that led ultimately to our loss.

Aha! A voice of reason! Thanks Adamante82, the common sense is appreciated.  Good points all.

Hoosier Daddy:

RonnieT24:

Lemme sum it up for you guys since yall don't seem to be able to stay on point and keep coming back to "waaahhh waaaah he won't say Barber is God" .. We beat the stuffings outta this team TWICE using Julius early and Barber late..  We had a proven working formula and we deviated from it for the playoffs.  Now had we won the game I would have said it was a good decision.. however since we DIDN'T win.. I feel perfectly justified in questioning the wisdom thereof. Not Barber's talent, not Barber's ability, not even his "coming to play for all 4 quarters." I'm sure he did.. But Michael Spinks came to fight 12 rounds against Mike Tyson.. He just came up 11 rounds and 2 minutes short after getting knocked upside the head.  "Coming to play" is nice.. it's a nice cliche that is.. but "coming to play" will not in and of itself win ballgames..  All this bullsh*t about how Barber was "the only one who came to play" is assinine.  You think Romo didn't come to play? TO, who was in tears after the loss didn't come to play? D-Ware and his relentless pressure didn't come to play? Newman who shadowed his man so well I  think the Giants threw exactly ONE pass in his direction all day didn't come to play. Again guys.. leave the mindless absolutes alone.. They don't fly. It is just amazing how you guys can continue to assert that when the team did well it was all Barber and then in the same breath complain that the reason Barber didn't do well later on in the game it was all somebody else..  The duplicity there is staggering.. Either the whole team (including Barber) played well when we were kicking ass and the whole team (including Barber) fell off in the second half.. This "everybody but Barber fell off in the second half" is the emptiest argument you guys have come up with yet. I hope you're not looking for me or anybody else to just accept it. 

Do you have a laptop near your toilet? Where do you come up with this stuff? Who has ever said Barber is God? He's just a great running back, that averages around 115 yards a game when he gets the ball over 20 times. That's all, no God or Moses or little baby Jesus in his golden fleece diapers, just the Barbarian.

They all came to play, but very few players did anything. Coming to play and making plays are two different things. If you need help with that PM me and I'll explain later. The run worked early, the Gnats came out and stopped the run, and put pressure on Romo. No one else stepped up and made plays. Maybe they were hurt, or the play calling sucked, or they dropped balls. Either way you can't expect a hundred yards a half in the playoffs when the run is the only threat. It could happen, but it's not likely, especially against a defensive front like the Vagiants and with nothing else working. Watch the game again and tell me the offensive line didn't go to crap in the second half. If you have already watched it and you're still seriously trying to fool everyone, then this is pointless. I'll just continue to consider you amusement till the GB game, then  we'll have something else to talk about. 

ROFLMAO !!

RomoRocks:

adamante82:

RonnieT24:

gdogg24:

All I'm saying is of all the things that went wrong for us yesterday starting Barber wasn't one of them he gave us a quality game and what you want from a running back we have a good rushing attack for next season but we did lose so we'll have to wait till next season to see how our offense is with a consistent rushing attack

 

At no point have I or anyone else argued that starting Barber was  "wrong."  I have posted numerous times this year that I would like to see  Barber hammer the defense  for a while then use JJ's speed to outrun 'em once their tongues are hanging out.. Hell I even posted that last week after the word got out. My concern was and always has been that Barber has shown a tendecy to tire himself out when used heavily early on.. Nothing more nothing less.. Again, that's not a knock on him.. I love the effort .. but as I have repeated till I'm blue in the face, the coaches HAVE to do a better job of managing that.. You can't blow the guy out in the first half and then have him draggin in the second.. Especially in a dogfight game when it became clear we were really gonna need him in the 4th quarter. The children will construe this as some sort of "we gotta keep JJ" plea when nothing could be further from the truth. I and many others have stated that JJ's style clearly does not fit our system and the splitting carries thing clearly doesn't work for him so he's gonzo tomorrow if not sooner. I think Barber is a horse.. but as shown yesterday.. he's a quarterhorse not a stakes racer.. And there is nothing wrong with that.. Hopefully Jerry and coaches will find a good back to pair with him next year and we'll be good to go. 

 

Dude, the point is he wasn't tired in the 2nd half to the level you claim.  The offense was not effective as a whole.  Dropped passes, missed blocks, penalties...you name it, we kinda screwed ourselves over in the 2nd half.

I have no doubt that MB wished he would have done better in the 2nd half.  But so does the whole offense.  It's not called "being tired" when you touch a ball and you have numerous D-linemen in your face.  MB fresh couldn't have dealt with that.  Barry Sanders couldn't have either.  JUST b/c the 2nd half was a lower production half, you can not chalk it up to "oh, he was tired. I knew it."  I am sorry dude but you have to look at the whole picture.  The world doesn't revolve around Marion Barber.  It's ok to look everwhere within the offense to find out the "whys" and the "hows".  And for this game it was very obvious that the entire offense was not in sync in the 2nd half.  Perhaps the O-line was tired...I grant you that.  B/c they failed at practically every responsibility they could have.  They had penalties, they couldn't block normal def. line, couldn't pick up the blitz, couldn't pass block OR run block.

Romo's performance suffered b/c he was running for his life.  Which trickles down to the recievers suffering b/c they didn't get a good pas thrown their way or thrown at all.  And MB suffered b/c once he touched the football he had no where to run - the D-line had already penetrated into the backfield.

So was Romo tired?  Was all the receivers tired?  No.  Main focal point of "fault" would have to start at the O-line.  B/c everyone was affected.

If it was only MB who couldn't produce and everyone else was doing fine...then we may have to look a little closer and see if he had too many carries in the first half.  But as of right now, with the totality of what I have seen, it appears to me the O-line failed to maintain any responsiblities and that led ultimately to our loss.

 

Aha! A voice of reason! Thanks Adamante82, the common sense is appreciated.  Good points all.

Another "voice of reason" thought? You start a "the online stunk if up inthe second half" thread and I'll gladly address that there..  In case you haven't noticed.. this thread is dedicated to analyzing "Marion Barber starting." By the way, if the line was stinking the joint in every phase of the game so bad that Barber couldn't run as evidenced by his meager 2.5 ypc after the first quarter.. How then does one explain the 90 yard drive to end the 2nd quarter and the 80-odd yard drive to open the third? Both drives featured next to nothing from Barber on the ground... yet the chains kept a movin..  I will sit back and read the lame explanations for that one..  Oughta be a blast. The fact of the matter is only on ONE of our three scoring drives was Barber "da man" as you like to say.. On the others.. he was a "JAG" .. a 2.5 yards and a cloud of dust back.. 

RonnieT24:

RomoRocks:

adamante82:

RonnieT24:

gdogg24:

All I'm saying is of all the things that went wrong for us yesterday starting Barber wasn't one of them he gave us a quality game and what you want from a running back we have a good rushing attack for next season but we did lose so we'll have to wait till next season to see how our offense is with a consistent rushing attack

 

At no point have I or anyone else argued that starting Barber was  "wrong."  I have posted numerous times this year that I would like to see  Barber hammer the defense  for a while then use JJ's speed to outrun 'em once their tongues are hanging out.. Hell I even posted that last week after the word got out. My concern was and always has been that Barber has shown a tendecy to tire himself out when used heavily early on.. Nothing more nothing less.. Again, that's not a knock on him.. I love the effort .. but as I have repeated till I'm blue in the face, the coaches HAVE to do a better job of managing that.. You can't blow the guy out in the first half and then have him draggin in the second.. Especially in a dogfight game when it became clear we were really gonna need him in the 4th quarter. The children will construe this as some sort of "we gotta keep JJ" plea when nothing could be further from the truth. I and many others have stated that JJ's style clearly does not fit our system and the splitting carries thing clearly doesn't work for him so he's gonzo tomorrow if not sooner. I think Barber is a horse.. but as shown yesterday.. he's a quarterhorse not a stakes racer.. And there is nothing wrong with that.. Hopefully Jerry and coaches will find a good back to pair with him next year and we'll be good to go. 

 

Dude, the point is he wasn't tired in the 2nd half to the level you claim.  The offense was not effective as a whole.  Dropped passes, missed blocks, penalties...you name it, we kinda screwed ourselves over in the 2nd half.

I have no doubt that MB wished he would have done better in the 2nd half.  But so does the whole offense.  It's not called "being tired" when you touch a ball and you have numerous D-linemen in your face.  MB fresh couldn't have dealt with that.  Barry Sanders couldn't have either.  JUST b/c the 2nd half was a lower production half, you can not chalk it up to "oh, he was tired. I knew it."  I am sorry dude but you have to look at the whole picture.  The world doesn't revolve around Marion Barber.  It's ok to look everwhere within the offense to find out the "whys" and the "hows".  And for this game it was very obvious that the entire offense was not in sync in the 2nd half.  Perhaps the O-line was tired...I grant you that.  B/c they failed at practically every responsibility they could have.  They had penalties, they couldn't block normal def. line, couldn't pick up the blitz, couldn't pass block OR run block.

Romo's performance suffered b/c he was running for his life.  Which trickles down to the recievers suffering b/c they didn't get a good pas thrown their way or thrown at all.  And MB suffered b/c once he touched the football he had no where to run - the D-line had already penetrated into the backfield.

So was Romo tired?  Was all the receivers tired?  No.  Main focal point of "fault" would have to start at the O-line.  B/c everyone was affected.

If it was only MB who couldn't produce and everyone else was doing fine...then we may have to look a little closer and see if he had too many carries in the first half.  But as of right now, with the totality of what I have seen, it appears to me the O-line failed to maintain any responsiblities and that led ultimately to our loss.

 

Aha! A voice of reason! Thanks Adamante82, the common sense is appreciated.  Good points all.

 

 

Another "voice of reason" thought? You start a "the online stunk if up inthe second half" thread and I'll gladly address that there..  In case you haven't noticed.. this thread is dedicated to analyzing "Marion Barber starting." By the way, if the line was stinking the joint in every phase of the game so bad that Barber couldn't run as evidenced by his meager 2.5 ypc after the first quarter.. How then does one explain the 90 yard drive to end the 2nd quarter and the 80-odd yard drive to open the third? Both drives featured next to nothing from Barber on the ground... yet the chains kept a movin..  I will sit back and read the lame explanations for that one..  Oughta be a blast. The fact of the matter is only on ONE of our three scoring drives was Barber "da man" as you like to say.. On the others.. he was a "JAG" .. a 2.5 yards and a cloud of dust back..  

Well Ronnie I thought for a minute there maybe you decided to be friendly and reasonable........Sorry, my mistake. Hoosier was right, you and your laptop have been spending too much time on the toilet.

Like I suggested before, why don't you just send your resume to Jerry Jones.....Maybe he could use a brilliant coach like you. Let us know how the interview goes. LOL

" Another "voice of reason" thought? You start a "the online stunk if up Ianthe second half" thread and I'll gladly address that there..  In case you haven't noticed.. this thread is dedicated to analyzing "Marion Barber starting." By the way, if the line was stinking the joint in every phase of the game so bad that Barber couldn't run as evidenced by his meager 2.5 ypc after the first quarter.. How then does one explain the 90 yard drive to end the 2nd quarter and the 80-odd yard drive to open the third? Both drives featured next to nothing from Barber on the ground... yet the chains kept a movin..  I will sit back and read the lame explanations for that one..  Oughta be a blast. The fact of the matter is only on ONE of our three scoring drives was Barber "da man" as you like to say.. On the others.. he was a "JAG" .. a 2.5 yards and a cloud of dust back..  "

What this thread is about is what factors Marion Barber played in the offense he supplied a good run game and was not the reason the Cowboys lost you even said so yourself that you don't blame Barbers performance in the 2nd half on him he's basically why we scored 14 points in the first half his running brought us down the field for TO's catch and he ran in the other one without him we wouldn't have been where we were to begin with. I don't see a point in  breaking down what he did into little tiny pieces that anyone can manipulate to fit their argument bottom line what matters most to a team most is your overall performance what if Marion only ran well on even number carries would that bother you ff Barber still scored a TD and gave the Cowboys 100 yards? Tell me this if the Cowboys would have pulled off the win on Sunday would the run have been a factor in getting us the win? Marion showed that he can carry the ball 25 times a game and give an offense run support but once again a good running attack alone won't get you a win You can't say that he's not a good back because he didn't get you 16 more yards really 16 more yards and his avg for the half is 4.5 16 more yards I don't think gets us the win maybe that's just me but 16 yards on the ground would have been given up with those two special teams plays that let the giants back I don't think 16 yards is enough to totally dismiss his performance