CoreyG:

Football fans aren't as retarded as soccer fans. We might throw a couple of cups or snowballs, but we aren't going to ruin the game so that it has to be cancelled after paying so much money for tickets.lol.

Good Point heh.  I guess it just depends on how you look at it. At least we dont have a Jail in Texas Stadium or the new one.

That's why I was saying that I was dissapointed that we didn't draft a WR.  We could have had Levell Hawkins out of CAL. We don't need more veterans on our WR depth chart. WR is an area we MUST address in the draft next year.

Honestly, I don't think the Cowboys should attempt to trade for a veteran WR. It's really an unecessary move if you ask me, and would be a high priced one at that. Why is it unecessary? The reason I consider it so is because we already have two Pro Bowlers in Witten and T.O., a solid #2 in Crayton, a deep threat in Terry Glenn if he recovers from his injuries, and two potential solid WRs in Hurd and Austin, both whom the coaches and owner have shown confidence in. Plus, lets not forget Stanback could become a nice catching threat, while Curtis and Bennett make nice targets as backup TEs. Felix Jones could also become a nice passing option in the backfield.

Bringing someone in like Chad Johnson would be costly.Signing such a player would make it even more difficult to resign the current stars on the team, such as Terrence Newman, Marion Barber, and other players in the future. Sure, the WR position would be secure, but another gap would eventually form elsewhere due to not being able to afford resigning someone else, and before we know it, we'll be going through deja-vu trying to trade for another star player to fill that position. Really, getting another T.O. by trade may not be in our best interests.

Lets also consider the WRs from previous Super Bowl teams. The Giants' WRs hadn't made a big impact last season statistically, with Burress slightly getting over 1,000 yards and Toomer being ok at that, The Colts in 2006 did have Wayne and Harrison, but don't we have something equivalent to that in Witten and T.O.? After Reggie and Marvin, the Colts didn't have a good WR in the 3rd option, with Addai being the next best throwing option amassing around 300 receiving yards total. Everyone should already know that the Steelers in 2005 were more of a running team, with Hines Ward not even getting 1,000 yards receiving and Heath Miller being the next big option with 459 yards receiving. Couldn't the Cowboys also have an effective running offense with Barber and Felix Jones?

So, lets rethink this entire idea. Do the Cowboys really need that second T.O. right now? Is it impossible for the Cowboys to not make the Super Bowl without a perfect receiving corps? (Witten, T.O., and Roy Williams, Chad Jonhson, or Boldin: Wouldn't that be perfect?) The Cowboys have all the things they need on the team right now in order to get new priceless rings on their fingers by 2009. Lets trust the players they already have to get themselves and the fans all the way to the biggest game in America.

srmikman:

Honestly, I don't think the Cowboys should attempt to trade for a veteran WR. It's really an unecessary move if you ask me, and would be a high priced one at that. Why is it unecessary? The reason I consider it so is because we already have two Pro Bowlers in Witten and T.O., a solid #2 in Crayton, a deep threat in Terry Glenn if he recovers from his injuries, and two potential solid WRs in Hurd and Austin, both whom the coaches and owner have shown confidence in. Plus, lets not forget Stanback could become a nice catching threat, while Curtis and Bennett make nice targets as backup TEs. Felix Jones could also become a nice passing option in the backfield.

Bringing someone in like Chad Johnson would be costly.Signing such a player would make it even more difficult to resign the current stars on the team, such as Terrence Newman, Marion Barber, and other players in the future. Sure, the WR position would be secure, but another gap would eventually form elsewhere due to not being able to afford resigning someone else, and before we know it, we'll be going through deja-vu trying to trade for another star player to fill that position. Really, getting another T.O. by trade may not be in our best interests.

Lets also consider the WRs from previous Super Bowl teams. The Giants' WRs hadn't made a big impact last season statistically, with Burress slightly getting over 1,000 yards and Toomer being ok at that, The Colts in 2006 did have Wayne and Harrison, but don't we have something equivalent to that in Witten and T.O.? After Reggie and Marvin, the Colts didn't have a good WR in the 3rd option, with Addai being the next best throwing option amassing around 300 receiving yards total. Everyone should already know that the Steelers in 2005 were more of a running team, with Hines Ward not even getting 1,000 yards receiving and Heath Miller being the next big option with 459 yards receiving. Couldn't the Cowboys also have an effective running offense with Barber and Felix Jones?

So, lets rethink this entire idea. Do the Cowboys really need that second T.O. right now? Is it impossible for the Cowboys to not make the Super Bowl without a perfect receiving corps? (Witten, T.O., and Roy Williams, Chad Jonhson, or Boldin: Wouldn't that be perfect?) The Cowboys have all the things they need on the team right now in order to get new priceless rings on their fingers by 2009. Lets trust the players they already have to get themselves and the fans all the way to the biggest game in America.

What would make you believe Crayton is a solid #2?Why?Last year definetly didn't show that!Any one of tose receivers would work here well...we have a history of making it work...somewhat...at least problem wise.Funny you should mention the steelers...Ben asked for a taller receiver...hhmmm?I think...no i know they drafted one...the one we should have,but thats another topic for later...Since we didn't draft anyone at all to add or fill depth to a uncertain WR #2 spot...IF Glenn is heathly...BIG IF....and when you find gaps or craks...you fix'em,don't deny they are there!o-yeah...not only is he not a #2...god forbid....if T.O went down...he'd have to be the #1 guy...seriously...no maybe next year...I want a SOLID #2...  

jcowboy:

What would make you believe Crayton is a solid #2?Why?Last year definetly didn't show that!Any one of tose receivers would work here well...we have a history of making it work...somewhat...at least problem wise.Funny you should mention the steelers...Ben asked for a taller receiver...hhmmm?I think...no i know they drafted one...the one we should have,but thats another topic for later...Since we didn't draft anyone at all to add or fill depth to a uncertain WR #2 spot...IF Glenn is heathly...BIG IF....and when you find gaps or craks...you fix'em,don't deny they are there!o-yeah...not only is he not a #2...god forbid....if T.O went down...he'd have to be the #1 guy...seriously...no maybe next year...I want a SOLID #2...  

The fact that he was top 10 in yards, receptions and TD's among #2's. The fact that he made game-changing plays quite a few times. The fact that he caught everything thrown in his direction.

moaustin:

jcowboy:

What would make you believe Crayton is a solid #2?Why?Last year definetly didn't show that!Any one of tose receivers would work here well...we have a history of making it work...somewhat...at least problem wise.Funny you should mention the steelers...Ben asked for a taller receiver...hhmmm?I think...no i know they drafted one...the one we should have,but thats another topic for later...Since we didn't draft anyone at all to add or fill depth to a uncertain WR #2 spot...IF Glenn is heathly...BIG IF....and when you find gaps or craks...you fix'em,don't deny they are there!o-yeah...not only is he not a #2...god forbid....if T.O went down...he'd have to be the #1 guy...seriously...no maybe next year...I want a SOLID #2...  

The fact that he was top 10 in yards, receptions and TD's among #2's. The fact that he made game-changing plays quite a few times. The fact that he caught everything thrown in his direction.

Are you smokin something...HE CAUGHT EVERYTHING THROWN IN HIS DIRECTION?WHAT games were you watching?Yeah he made some good plays...key word there "SOME"The game changing plays i remember was when he was crossing the middle...it was wide open to score...AND HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!!!!!!!Now i'm not sure about the top ten in yards...haven't checked the stats...but come on open your eyes...he needs more time to evolve...PERIOD!I'm not saying that he's a bum...but not our #2...not now!We are so close...I can hear the fat lady tuning her throat....So Jerry should go get us a legimate #2...stick him at 3 and then we'll have a stacked attack...

jcowboy:

Are you smokin something...HE CAUGHT EVERYTHING THROWN IN HIS DIRECTION?WHAT games were you watching?Yeah he made some good plays...key word there "SOME"The game changing plays i remember was when he was crossing the middle...it was wide open to score...AND HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!!!!!!!Now i'm not sure about the top ten in yards...haven't checked the stats...but come on open your eyes...he needs more time to evolve...PERIOD!I'm not saying that he's a bum...but not our #2...not now!We are so close...I can hear the fat lady tuning her throat....So Jerry should go get us a legimate #2...stick him at 3 and then we'll have a stacked attack...

He had 2 notable drops the whole year, the one in the Giants game and the one in the Bears game, and he blew the route at the end there.

What games are YOU watching. Unlike you, I don't base a player off the way he performed in 1 game. Go back and take a look at footage from the season.

Who was it that time after time made 3rd down catches? Crayton 

Who was it that broke open the Miami game with his punt return when we were down after half time? Yep that was Crayton too.

Who was it that made the big catch in the Buffalo game for a TD, and then caught the ball to put us in FG position after TO dropped the ball? Crayton again.

Who was it that torched the Rams for 180 yards and 2 TD's? Take a guess.

And I agree, more time will help him. This was his first year playing signifcant minutes. And if we look at the trend throughout his career, Crayton has been improving every year since he was drafted in the 7th round that year. I say just watch him this year. I'm sure a full year of experience as well as a very bitter taste left after the playoff game will improve his game tremendously this year.

 I was listening to the local morning show that I listen to all the time, They had Deion & his wife on the show recently to talk about that reality show of theirs. One of the radio guys is a Cowboys fan, he always gets grief from the main host of the show. He managed to slip in a football question to Deion and asked him if he thought that Jerry being the kinda gambler that he is sometimes, would he make a try for Chad Johnson. Deion replied that he knows Jerry has already "gone after" Chad but that the Cincy owner is being to stubborn.

Just thought I'd pass that on.

You can listen to the interview here 

http://www.thebuzz.com/cc-common/podcast.html

 

moaustin:

jcowboy:

Are you smokin something...HE CAUGHT EVERYTHING THROWN IN HIS DIRECTION?WHAT games were you watching?Yeah he made some good plays...key word there "SOME"The game changing plays i remember was when he was crossing the middle...it was wide open to score...AND HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!!!!!!!Now i'm not sure about the top ten in yards...haven't checked the stats...but come on open your eyes...he needs more time to evolve...PERIOD!I'm not saying that he's a bum...but not our #2...not now!We are so close...I can hear the fat lady tuning her throat....So Jerry should go get us a legimate #2...stick him at 3 and then we'll have a stacked attack...

He had 2 notable drops the whole year, the one in the Giants game and the one in the Bears game, and he blew the route at the end there.

What games are YOU watching. Unlike you, I don't base a player off the way he performed in 1 game. Go back and take a look at footage from the season.

Who was it that time after time made 3rd down catches? Crayton 

Who was it that broke open the Miami game with his punt return when we were down after half time? Yep that was Crayton too.

Who was it that made the big catch in the Buffalo game for a TD, and then caught the ball to put us in FG position after TO dropped the ball? Crayton again.

Who was it that torched the Rams for 180 yards and 2 TD's? Take a guess.

And I agree, more time will help him. This was his first year playing signifcant minutes. And if we look at the trend throughout his career, Crayton has been improving every year since he was drafted in the 7th round that year. I say just watch him this year. I'm sure a full year of experience as well as a very bitter taste left after the playoff game will improve his game tremendously this year.

First he had more than 2 notable drops...come on...I did say that he made some good plays...hell i call them great plays...BUT WHEN IT MATTERED MOST...WHAT HAPPENED MY FRIEND?A #2 is a starter...Supposed to be CLUTCH!Now it's not my choice so i'll have to give him another year(CHANCE)...but after this year if we have the same results...THAT'S IT!AND DONT ever try to throw in the ONE time he has a great return...YES ONCE...you can bet he not even on the list for this years returners!

jcowboy:

First he had more than 2 notable drops...come on...I did say that he made some good plays...hell i call them great plays...BUT WHEN IT MATTERED MOST...WHAT HAPPENED MY FRIEND?A #2 is a starter...Supposed to be CLUTCH!Now it's not my choice so i'll have to give him another year(CHANCE)...but after this year if we have the same results...THAT'S IT!AND DONT ever try to throw in the ONE time he has a great return...YES ONCE...you can bet he not even on the list for this years returners!

Tell me where else he had notable drops. He might have dropped 2-3 others, but none that impacted the game much though. The Bears game one was the one where he dropped it in the endzone, and the Giants game we all know. Other than those 2, he's been clutch whenever the ball's come his way

And Ok he had a bad game when it mattered. It was his first playoff game as a starter. Even Jerry Rice, the greatest WR ever, sucked in his first game in the playoff. It's how he reacts to it that matters. If he uses it as motivation to improve, then great. If not, then I'm all for dropping him in the receiver chart.

jcowboy:

srmikman:

Honestly, I don't think the Cowboys should attempt to trade for a veteran WR. It's really an unecessary move if you ask me, and would be a high priced one at that. Why is it unecessary? The reason I consider it so is because we already have two Pro Bowlers in Witten and T.O., a solid #2 in Crayton, a deep threat in Terry Glenn if he recovers from his injuries, and two potential solid WRs in Hurd and Austin, both whom the coaches and owner have shown confidence in. Plus, lets not forget Stanback could become a nice catching threat, while Curtis and Bennett make nice targets as backup TEs. Felix Jones could also become a nice passing option in the backfield.

Bringing someone in like Chad Johnson would be costly.Signing such a player would make it even more difficult to resign the current stars on the team, such as Terrence Newman, Marion Barber, and other players in the future. Sure, the WR position would be secure, but another gap would eventually form elsewhere due to not being able to afford resigning someone else, and before we know it, we'll be going through deja-vu trying to trade for another star player to fill that position. Really, getting another T.O. by trade may not be in our best interests.

Lets also consider the WRs from previous Super Bowl teams. The Giants' WRs hadn't made a big impact last season statistically, with Burress slightly getting over 1,000 yards and Toomer being ok at that, The Colts in 2006 did have Wayne and Harrison, but don't we have something equivalent to that in Witten and T.O.? After Reggie and Marvin, the Colts didn't have a good WR in the 3rd option, with Addai being the next best throwing option amassing around 300 receiving yards total. Everyone should already know that the Steelers in 2005 were more of a running team, with Hines Ward not even getting 1,000 yards receiving and Heath Miller being the next big option with 459 yards receiving. Couldn't the Cowboys also have an effective running offense with Barber and Felix Jones?

So, lets rethink this entire idea. Do the Cowboys really need that second T.O. right now? Is it impossible for the Cowboys to not make the Super Bowl without a perfect receiving corps? (Witten, T.O., and Roy Williams, Chad Jonhson, or Boldin: Wouldn't that be perfect?) The Cowboys have all the things they need on the team right now in order to get new priceless rings on their fingers by 2009. Lets trust the players they already have to get themselves and the fans all the way to the biggest game in America.

What would make you believe Crayton is a solid #2?Why?Last year definetly didn't show that!Any one of tose receivers would work here well...we have a history of making it work...somewhat...at least problem wise.Funny you should mention the steelers...Ben asked for a taller receiver...hhmmm?I think...no i know they drafted one...the one we should have,but thats another topic for later...Since we didn't draft anyone at all to add or fill depth to a uncertain WR #2 spot...IF Glenn is heathly...BIG IF....and when you find gaps or craks...you fix'em,don't deny they are there!o-yeah...not only is he not a #2...god forbid....if T.O went down...he'd have to be the #1 guy...seriously...no maybe next year...I want a SOLID #2...  

Moaustin did a good job saying why Crayton is a solid #2 guy, so I won't respond to that first question. The Steelers did ask for a tall WR this year, but my point was that they weren't strong at the WR position when they won the Super Bowl in 2005, so I could care less about what they want this season. And lets stop with these what ifs.... What if Owens goes down? Glenn or Crayton fills the position, Witten becomes an even bigger target, Sam Hurd steps up to the plate as the #3 guy, Austin is used more frequently on 3rd down plays, and the Cowboys attempt to try a more run oriented offense revolving around Barber and Felix Jones. Would our offense be dead because of this? Probably not if Felix Jones turns out to be a nice WOW factor on offense, plus Barber is good at finding ways to make big plays. Witten would still find ways to get open, while Glenn or Crayton possibly turn into 1,000 yard receivers (if Crayton, then Owens won't be resigned). Sam Hurd has shown some potential, so it wouldn't be a surprise if he gets 500 yards receiving should Owens go down. If Hurd and Austin turn out to be non factors, then Jerry Jones will probably find someone in free agency to replace them, or just make a trade early in the season for a more solid WR.

And lets not forget the Cowboys' defense people. The Cowboys' defense has the potential to be a top 5 defense with Wade's guidance, so should the offense stall, we shouldn't expect anything less of the Cowboys' defense than to beat their opponent's offense too.

srmikman:

jcowboy:

srmikman:

Honestly, I don't think the Cowboys should attempt to trade for a veteran WR. It's really an unecessary move if you ask me, and would be a high priced one at that. Why is it unecessary? The reason I consider it so is because we already have two Pro Bowlers in Witten and T.O., a solid #2 in Crayton, a deep threat in Terry Glenn if he recovers from his injuries, and two potential solid WRs in Hurd and Austin, both whom the coaches and owner have shown confidence in. Plus, lets not forget Stanback could become a nice catching threat, while Curtis and Bennett make nice targets as backup TEs. Felix Jones could also become a nice passing option in the backfield.

Bringing someone in like Chad Johnson would be costly.Signing such a player would make it even more difficult to resign the current stars on the team, such as Terrence Newman, Marion Barber, and other players in the future. Sure, the WR position would be secure, but another gap would eventually form elsewhere due to not being able to afford resigning someone else, and before we know it, we'll be going through deja-vu trying to trade for another star player to fill that position. Really, getting another T.O. by trade may not be in our best interests.

Lets also consider the WRs from previous Super Bowl teams. The Giants' WRs hadn't made a big impact last season statistically, with Burress slightly getting over 1,000 yards and Toomer being ok at that, The Colts in 2006 did have Wayne and Harrison, but don't we have something equivalent to that in Witten and T.O.? After Reggie and Marvin, the Colts didn't have a good WR in the 3rd option, with Addai being the next best throwing option amassing around 300 receiving yards total. Everyone should already know that the Steelers in 2005 were more of a running team, with Hines Ward not even getting 1,000 yards receiving and Heath Miller being the next big option with 459 yards receiving. Couldn't the Cowboys also have an effective running offense with Barber and Felix Jones?

So, lets rethink this entire idea. Do the Cowboys really need that second T.O. right now? Is it impossible for the Cowboys to not make the Super Bowl without a perfect receiving corps? (Witten, T.O., and Roy Williams, Chad Jonhson, or Boldin: Wouldn't that be perfect?) The Cowboys have all the things they need on the team right now in order to get new priceless rings on their fingers by 2009. Lets trust the players they already have to get themselves and the fans all the way to the biggest game in America.

What would make you believe Crayton is a solid #2?Why?Last year definetly didn't show that!Any one of tose receivers would work here well...we have a history of making it work...somewhat...at least problem wise.Funny you should mention the steelers...Ben asked for a taller receiver...hhmmm?I think...no i know they drafted one...the one we should have,but thats another topic for later...Since we didn't draft anyone at all to add or fill depth to a uncertain WR #2 spot...IF Glenn is heathly...BIG IF....and when you find gaps or craks...you fix'em,don't deny they are there!o-yeah...not only is he not a #2...god forbid....if T.O went down...he'd have to be the #1 guy...seriously...no maybe next year...I want a SOLID #2...  

Moaustin did a good job saying why Crayton is a solid #2 guy, so I won't respond to that first question. The Steelers did ask for a tall WR this year, but my point was that they weren't strong at the WR position when they won the Super Bowl in 2005, so I could care less about what they want this season. And lets stop with these what ifs.... What if Owens goes down? Glenn or Crayton fills the position, Witten becomes an even bigger target, Sam Hurd steps up to the plate as the #3 guy, Austin is used more frequently on 3rd down plays, and the Cowboys attempt to try a more run oriented offense revolving around Barber and Felix Jones. Would our offense be dead because of this? Probably not if Felix Jones turns out to be a nice WOW factor on offense, plus Barber is good at finding ways to make big plays. Witten would still find ways to get open, while Glenn or Crayton possibly turn into 1,000 yard receivers (if Crayton, then Owens won't be resigned). Sam Hurd has shown some potential, so it wouldn't be a surprise if he gets 500 yards receiving should Owens go down. If Hurd and Austin turn out to be non factors, then Jerry Jones will probably find someone in free agency to replace them, or just make a trade early in the season for a more solid WR.

And lets not forget the Cowboys' defense people. The Cowboys' defense has the potential to be a top 5 defense with Wade's guidance, so should the offense stall, we shouldn't expect anything less of the Cowboys' defense than to beat their opponent's offense too.

STOP WITH THE WHAT IFS?Ok...genius have about a fact...When T.O went down last year...how many games did we win?...what receiver step'd up?Go ahead i'll wait...AND HE DIDN'T MAKE A GOOD AGRUEMENT ABOUT WHY CRAYTONS' #2...YOU HELPED MINE!Play-off are where you make a name for yourself!PERIOD!Your made or broke there!So gone with the 1 bad game garbage...

Lets see.... T.O. went down vs. the Panthers, a game the Cowboys still won. That means the Cowboys had two games without T.O or with an injured T.O.. One was vs. the Redskins, and that was a game that the Cowboys weren't even that concerned about, considering that the Cowboys had already secured home field advantage in the playoffs and wanted to rest their starters. The other game was the playoff game. The best point you could possibly make is that T.O.'s injury is what caused the Cowboys to lose in the playoff game. However, you can't say that considering the whole Cowboys team made mistakes that game, so putting the blame on T.O.'s injury would only be ignorant.

However, you want to know who stepped up when T.O. was injured in the playoff game... I'd say Witten had a solid game. The Cowboys, aware that T.O.'s injury may weaken the passing attack, certainly got a nice game from Marion Barber, so I'd say he stepped up with T.O.'s injury. Owens didn't even have that horrible of a game himself.

I made my points, and more are to come if you think you can keep this conversation up.

What I think is difficult to evaluate here is when TO went down Dallas did not have Glenn. Could have the offense not suffered as greatly if Glenn was active? I do not a team in this league that if they lost their top two WR's could win many games. Not to mention, didn't Dallas have O line injuries as well.

So in short should Dallas invest in another WR at the expense of developing any WR on the roster? I would say Dallas needs a WR only if Glenn cannot come back. I think Crayton is still developing and last season brought him a long way. Without breaking the bank to bring in a new WR like ... cough... Chris Henry or someone with skill and less troubles, yeah it might be a good idea for insurance. I would not bring in a new vet unless I were not going to try and keep T.O., or thought that Glenn could not come back, or I thought that Crayton cannot improve from last year.

You can't have pro bowl players at every position or your salary cap would be over the limit...TO was hurt and we still all most won the game. I remember Irvin getting hurt and we quit winning, smith hurt we quit winning, Aikman hurt we quit winning. You will mortage your future to get Johnson. You may or may not get to the super bowl with him but you will start to release other players to get under the cap. Does anybody remember D. Sanders. He got us over the top but we had to let all sorts of players go and we went from the best to years of no name players. Crayton got a dose of humble pie. He should be the one after the gmen game saying he was sorry not T.O. But how often do you have a number 1 guy go down and the back up plays better....