First of all, I wanna say I'm a cowboy fan and some of us are okay, but for the most part, no . You guys wonder why this team gets all the hate it does and im gonna answer that question. Our fans suck. Why is it whenever people start saying something other than asskissery to the boys, our responses are always: AMERICAS TEAM BABY! Well, lemme say something. America's Team will win a playoff game every now and then. Maybe back in the 70s, 90s, or hell maybe a few years in the 80s we were america's team. But what has this club done since 95? That's right. NOTHING. Why is it when the "Greatest QB of all time" discussion is being had, we always throw in TROY AIKMAN DOOD. Truth on Troy is...he was painfully......decent. He was not a great QB, he could not move. He had decent arm strength (being generous), and he got incredibly flustered when he got hit. Yeah, he had three rings, but if Trent Dilfer got 3 rings would he make the HOF? Aikman's stats don't compare to anyone's stats in the HOF and if he were still around today, his stats would be near the bottom of the league. His career rating was what, like 82? Same thing with the greatest rb of all time discussion, why do we always throw in Emmit? Emmit was good, don;t get me wrong. But he was not Barry's level, sweetness' talent scoffs at him and Jim Brown was much better. Emmit got the rushing record due to playing forever, and having a great O line. Sorry, its true. Another thing is the thugs, when people boggle at us signing troubled people, we refuse to accept the fact that they are thugs. I'm not talking about TO, as he has no criminal record. I am however speaking of Pacman, Tank, Nate, Mike, and the others. We don't have to bash them, just don't try to go into an arguement saying such players are saints, like so many of us do. The last thing about cowboy fans that makes me mad is our stubborness. We will argue FOREVER, about something that we know is false. Peopel can even prove these arguements to us and we will keep standing our ground. There are many others, but these are the main reason no one likes us. Would it kill our fans to shut their mouths and be humble every so often? Once again, this post is not directed to all cowboy fans, just the majority.

Whats the difference if the fans argue about players or the fans argue about fans?

 Yeah, many Cowboys fans do "suck" in a way. We tend to be negative, complain, and criticize everything. That's what happens when you expect domination in every single game. That's what happens when a history of unmatched greatness is expected to be upheld. That's what happens when a tradition of winning leaves no room for excuses. 

On the other hand, I do agree about our fans always thinking that our players are the best and the most "saintly" as you described. In my mind, we have had only two players ever that could be seriously argued as the greatest ever at their position. Emmitt and Deion Sanders. But I do not believe Emmitt was the greatest runningback ever. Deion, on the other hand, was the best cornerback ever. And yeah, I too find it hilarious that so many people are against us picking up "characters". It's like they forget that we won championships with drug users, arrestees (is that a word), and strip club frequenters. I could care less about thinking that our players are the best. All I care about is the team winning. The players are completely subservient to their goal to further the history of greatness of the team. THEY are not the team. They serve the team.

For mod's sake, use the carrier return once every few sentences.

1. Troy Aikman is the winningest QB of any decade (America's Team: The Complete History of the Dallas Cowboys, Disc 2).

2. Without Emmitt, the 90's Cowboys might not have won even one Super Bowl. Emmitt Smith was not on Barry Sanders' level; he arose above that level back in 2002 when he eclipsed Walter Payton as the all-time rushing leader. You're right about Barry. I'll give you that. Jim Brown was much bigger than Emmitt, so I would expect him to gain more yards with that speed as well. However, Jim Brown did not have the heart that Emmitt had.

All teams have troubled players. Your point is?

Tex Schramm had tried to build an "America's Team" image for years when he began with the Dallas Cowboys. It wasn't until 1979 when NFL Films made a video on the Cowboys entitled "America's Team." In fact, Tom Landry did not want to accept the title. Over the years, it has been disputed, but even Steve Sabol, president of NFL Films, stated that the Cowboys are in fact America's Team (Who Is... America's Team? 2007). So, we do have a right to hold our heads up with pride and declare ourselves America's Team.

5 Super Bowls, 8 Super Bowl bids, 14 conference championship game appearances, and God knows how many NFC East titles, the most playoff appearances of any franchise -- Tom Landry, the man who invented the 4-3, resurrected the old shotgun, implemented motion before the snap, and revolutionized the game. Let me ask you something. Why do you think NFL teams have humongous playbooks? Which coach do you think was responsible for that? Lombardi or Landry?

Here. I found some groups you might be interested in joining:

http://www.houstontexans.com/fanzone/

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/fanzone/

http://www.redskins.com/register/default.jsp?prevPage=http%3A//www.redskins.com/fanzone/

Those players don't have to be the greatest ever at the position. That's such a ridiculous argument anyway!!!! But they were great for this team and you suck for even trying to put Troy and Dilfer in the same sentence!! Troy deserves to be in the HOF, just like Michael and Emmitt. Doesn't matter where they stack up in the history of the sport! You would think a Cowboy fan would understand that?

The Emperor:

For mod's sake, use the carrier return once every few sentences.

1. Troy Aikman is the winningest QB of any decade (America's Team: The Complete History of the Dallas Cowboys, Disc 2).

2. Without Emmitt, the 90's Cowboys might not have won even one Super Bowl. Emmitt Smith was not on Barry Sanders' level; he arose above that level back in 2002 when he eclipsed Walter Payton as the all-time rushing leader. You're right about Barry. I'll give you that. Jim Brown was much bigger than Emmitt, so I would expect him to gain more yards with that speed as well. However, Jim Brown did not have the heart that Emmitt had.

All teams have troubled players. Your point is?

Tex Schramm had tried to build an "America's Team" image for years when he began with the Dallas Cowboys. It wasn't until 1979 when NFL Films made a video on the Cowboys entitled "America's Team." In fact, Tom Landry did not want to accept the title. Over the years, it has been disputed, but even Steve Sabol, president of NFL Films, stated that the Cowboys are in fact America's Team (Who Is... America's Team? 2007). So, we do have a right to hold our heads up with pride and declare ourselves America's Team.

5 Super Bowls, 8 Super Bowl bids, 14 conference championship game appearances, and God knows how many NFC East titles, the most playoff appearances of any franchise -- Tom Landry, the man who invented the 4-3, resurrected the old shotgun, implemented motion before the snap, and revolutionized the game. Let me ask you something. Why do you think NFL teams have humongous playbooks? Which coach do you think was responsible for that? Lombardi or Landry?

Here. I found some groups you might be interested in joining:

http://www.houstontexans.com/fanzone/

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/fanzone/

http://www.redskins.com/register/default.jsp?prevPage=http%3A//www.redskins.com/fanzone/

 

Oh snap. 

It's called being a Die Hard fan and for you to even compare Troy Aikman to Trent Dilfer is so obsurd it's not even funny. And another thing Emmit is brought up in the RB convo because he has more yards than any other running back ever. Say what you want after that. That's just like saying Jerry Rice got his records because he played forever cause he did and I personally think Irvin was a better WR in terms of physicality and if Irvin had've played as long as Rice he would have the same if not better numbers. But I agree with the thug part though

Big_D:

Those players don't have to be the greatest ever at the position. That's such a ridiculous argument anyway!!!! But they were great for this team and you suck for even trying to put Troy and Dilfer in the same sentence!! Troy deserves to be in the HOF, just like Michael and Emmitt. Doesn't matter where they stack up in the history of the sport! You would think a Cowboy fan would understand that?

Look at the date the guy joined. He's obviously part of that controversial fringe of so-called Cowboys fans that likes nothing better than to put down fellow Cowboys fans that ran rampant throughout this forum when Oxen ran the show. Do a background check and see if it is Oxen with a dual account.

The Emperor:

For mod's sake, use the carrier return once every few sentences.

1. Troy Aikman is the winningest QB of any decade (America's Team: The Complete History of the Dallas Cowboys, Disc 2).

2. Without Emmitt, the 90's Cowboys might not have won even one Super Bowl. Emmitt Smith was not on Barry Sanders' level; he arose above that level back in 2002 when he eclipsed Walter Payton as the all-time rushing leader. You're right about Barry. I'll give you that. Jim Brown was much bigger than Emmitt, so I would expect him to gain more yards with that speed as well. However, Jim Brown did not have the heart that Emmitt had.

All teams have troubled players. Your point is?

Tex Schramm had tried to build an "America's Team" image for years when he began with the Dallas Cowboys. It wasn't until 1979 when NFL Films made a video on the Cowboys entitled "America's Team." In fact, Tom Landry did not want to accept the title. Over the years, it has been disputed, but even Steve Sabol, president of NFL Films, stated that the Cowboys are in fact America's Team (Who Is... America's Team? 2007). So, we do have a right to hold our heads up with pride and declare ourselves America's Team.

5 Super Bowls, 8 Super Bowl bids, 14 conference championship game appearances, and God knows how many NFC East titles, the most playoff appearances of any franchise -- Tom Landry, the man who invented the 4-3, resurrected the old shotgun, implemented motion before the snap, and revolutionized the game. Let me ask you something. Why do you think NFL teams have humongous playbooks? Which coach do you think was responsible for that? Lombardi or Landry?

Here. I found some groups you might be interested in joining:

http://www.houstontexans.com/fanzone/

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/fanzone/

http://www.redskins.com/register/default.jsp?prevPage=http%3A//www.redskins.com/fanzone/

 

OWNED

RRMSTackle79:

First of all, I wanna say I'm a cowboy fan and some of us are okay, but for the most part, no . You guys wonder why this team gets all the hate it does and im gonna answer that question. Our fans suck. Why is it whenever people start saying something other than asskissery to the boys, our responses are always: AMERICAS TEAM BABY! Well, lemme say something. America's Team will win a playoff game every now and then. Maybe back in the 70s, 90s, or hell maybe a few years in the 80s we were america's team. But what has this club done since 95? That's right. NOTHING. Why is it when the "Greatest QB of all time" discussion is being had, we always throw in TROY AIKMAN DOOD. Truth on Troy is...he was painfully......decent. He was not a great QB, he could not move. He had decent arm strength (being generous), and he got incredibly flustered when he got hit. Yeah, he had three rings, but if Trent Dilfer got 3 rings would he make the HOF? Aikman's stats don't compare to anyone's stats in the HOF and if he were still around today, his stats would be near the bottom of the league. His career rating was what, like 82? Same thing with the greatest rb of all time discussion, why do we always throw in Emmit? Emmit was good, don;t get me wrong. But he was not Barry's level, sweetness' talent scoffs at him and Jim Brown was much better. Emmit got the rushing record due to playing forever, and having a great O line. Sorry, its true. Another thing is the thugs, when people boggle at us signing troubled people, we refuse to accept the fact that they are thugs. I'm not talking about TO, as he has no criminal record. I am however speaking of Pacman, Tank, Nate, Mike, and the others. We don't have to bash them, just don't try to go into an arguement saying such players are saints, like so many of us do. The last thing about cowboy fans that makes me mad is our stubborness. We will argue FOREVER, about something that we know is false. Peopel can even prove these arguements to us and we will keep standing our ground. There are many others, but these are the main reason no one likes us. Would it kill our fans to shut their mouths and be humble every so often? Once again, this post is not directed to all cowboy fans, just the majority.

 

get a life

Guys, I think the bottom line is that it's all about winning. Sometimes when we sit around these forums and have theoretical discussion, or when we watch sports media too much, we tend to get wrapped up in the discussions of which team from which year was better, who's the greatest __________ of all time, should he be the Hall of Fame or not, how much did _________ owe his success to ___________, etc etc etc. These are often interesting and fun discussions (or arguments) to have with fellow fans, but ultimately NONE of that matters. It doesn't matter how good a team is, it doesn't matter how good their stats are, it doesn't matter how many Hall of Famers they produced, it doesn't matter how exciting they are to watch, it doesn't matter if they have amazing players, it doesn't matter who owes their success to who...Those discussions are ultimately meaningless to be honest. WINNING is the only thing that matters. We Cowboys fans have experienced a good amount of winning in our history, and perhaps that is why we are the ones so quick to launch into those other various discussions and arguments. Talk to a Cardinals or Lions fan, and I promise you they'd trade 50 Hall of Famers for winning championships, or even for just winning playoff games. But now that we have been similarly humbled by our post-season failures over the last decade-plus, I think it's time that we all just try to remember that winning is the only goal.

TheBigD:

 Yeah, many Cowboys fans do "suck" in a way. We tend to be negative, complain, and criticize everything. That's what happens when you expect domination in every single game. That's what happens when a history of unmatched greatness is expected to be upheld. That's what happens when a tradition of winning leaves no room for excuses. 

On the other hand, I do agree about our fans always thinking that our players are the best and the most "saintly" as you described. In my mind, we have had only two players ever that could be seriously argued as the greatest ever at their position. Emmitt and Deion Sanders. But I do not believe Emmitt was the greatest runningback ever. Deion, on the other hand, was the best cornerback ever. And yeah, I too find it hilarious that so many people are against us picking up "characters". It's like they forget that we won championships with drug users, arrestees (is that a word), and strip club frequenters. I could care less about thinking that our players are the best. All I care about is the team winning. The players are completely subservient to their goal to further the history of greatness of the team. THEY are not the team. They serve the team.

Believe what you like.. but Emmitt was the best ever.

Sanders was great to watch.. but he was no Emmitt.

Now I know it would be wrong to talk of Barry Sanders since he did play on bad teams.

And not even a whisper against 'sweetness', he ran lived and died sweet. And the only remark that I can remember of him that sticks in my mind is complaining of the fact he almost drove them to the Super Bowl and they let the 'fridge' run the ball in. All of us need acknowledgment.

Yes even us fans. The twelfth man. The ones who play for the salaries. the ones who buy the products. and now us posters who like to talk argue and reminisce of the glory days, and expect them to come back.

The constant arguement about our Troy is this, he never knew what a secondary reciever was.

May have a case there. But I have heard it said this way 'if you cannot stop it, keep going to the well or what works.

I always loved that comercial of Emmitt in his rookie year....he bust through an all pro defensive line and says "nice to meet you my name is Emmitt"