watch the First TD of the season....at first you will say Henry got cooked, but then watch it again!  Roy is deep middle jumps a crossing route and then tries to haul @ss back to where he was suppose to be.  Henry looked to be beat badly because he forced Burress to the middle then trailed him, ala taking away the underneath. Roy had over the Top. 

So By the Miami game he was playing LB on passing downs, and by mid-season he was off the field completely.....to the point he didn't start a couple of games......that's why you don't remember him getting beat deep.

I saw this posted on the Ken Hamlin thread and I don't know if this has been mentioned in the last 19 some odd-pages.  But it was posted that Roy is not studying film as much as he should be?  Can anyone confirm if that is the case?

I wonder if that is the main reason why he has been struggling on the field.  Watching film is a very important part of the game, especially on defense.  It's hard to react to something when you can't recognize the formation that the offense is running.  It seems like Roy has lost something.  If it's his heart, than nothing that can be done.  If it is a recognition issue, then that can be fixed....hopefully.

bosdtitan:

I saw this posted on the Ken Hamlin thread and I don't know if this has been mentioned in the last 19 some odd-pages.  But it was posted that Roy is not studying film as much as he should be?  Can anyone confirm if that is the case?

I wonder if that is the main reason why he has been struggling on the field.  Watching film is a very important part of the game, especially on defense.  It's hard to react to something when you can't recognize the formation that the offense is running.  It seems like Roy has lost something.  If it's his heart, than nothing that can be done.  If it is a recognition issue, then that can be fixed....hopefully.

 

 

I've heard that too.

 

And it makes sense......the deer in headlights symptoms Newman was speaking of usually happens when you are confused and uncertain about what to do.  this to me is a real good indicator that he may not be in the filmroom as much as he should be.

deuceizloose:

bosdtitan:

I saw this posted on the Ken Hamlin thread and I don't know if this has been mentioned in the last 19 some odd-pages.  But it was posted that Roy is not studying film as much as he should be?  Can anyone confirm if that is the case?

I wonder if that is the main reason why he has been struggling on the field.  Watching film is a very important part of the game, especially on defense.  It's hard to react to something when you can't recognize the formation that the offense is running.  It seems like Roy has lost something.  If it's his heart, than nothing that can be done.  If it is a recognition issue, then that can be fixed....hopefully.

 

 

I've heard that too.

 

And it makes sense......the deer in headlights symptoms Newman was speaking of usually happens when you are confused and uncertain about what to do.  this to me is a real good indicator that he may not be in the filmroom as much as he should be.

 

Yeah, when I read that part of him not studying film, "the deer in the headlights" makes total sense.  I mean the whole time I am thinking he is doing what he needs to do and he is still playing like that.  Well, if that is indeed a big reason why he has been playing the way he has been for the last few seasons, hopefully that can get corrected.  I also think he needs to build up his confidence after the last few sasons.

I know even when Woodson retired, Roy was still making big plays and INT's.  I mean when dallas played Wash, yeah it's only one team, but you knew Roy was gonna make a game changing play and he usually did!!!  But lately he can't even make plays against the Skins.  But we all remember the Roy before the last few seasons, how dominating he was.  He made plays against all teams and not just the skins.  So maybe not studying film could be a huge reason why he has the "deer in the headights" look these days.

Hope Campo can do wonders.  Then again, maybe a rededication to the film room might be just what the doctor ordered.

deuceizloose:

watch the First TD of the season....at first you will say Henry got cooked, but then watch it again!  Roy is deep middle jumps a crossing route and then tries to haul @ss back to where he was suppose to be.  Henry looked to be beat badly because he forced Burress to the middle then trailed him, ala taking away the underneath. Roy had over the Top. 

So By the Miami game he was playing LB on passing downs, and by mid-season he was off the field completely.....to the point he didn't start a couple of games......that's why you don't remember him getting beat deep.

I've seen the highlights over and over again throughout the season, they (ESPN and NFL network) showed that game one over and over again, in particular the plays were Roy doesn't do his job in this game. I think I saw those Giants highlights from ESPN about as much as I saw MB3's breaking away from the Pats in the end zone, or Witten's running down the field with no helmet. But the entire D didn't do there job in that 1st game.
There were two plays which I felt Roy should have been able to make during the playoff game which concern me, hopefully he loses the weight because he was about a hand away from making those two particular plays. Might not have been the difference between winning and losing the game, but it would have helped the Cowboys cause.

well it was said he didn't get beat deep all year?  the First TD of the season was dead in his LAP......and that was a 60 yarder.

 

 

deuceizloose:

well it was said he didn't get beat deep all year?  the First TD of the season was dead in his LAP......and that was a 60 yarder.

 

 

Now I got to go see for myself, I was thinking of the TD score in the end zone, where he had that "deer in the headlights look".

Presto512:

deuceizloose:

well it was said he didn't get beat deep all year?  the First TD of the season was dead in his LAP......and that was a 60 yarder.

 

 

Now I got to go see for myself, I was thinking of the TD score in the end zone, where he had that "deer in the headlights look".

I think it was WP that said he didn't get beat deep and WP is always defending everyone. In some ways that is a good thing and in some ways I think it gives a false picture to the player in question. We all know Roy does not need any false pictures.

GrizzlyBear:

Presto512:

deuceizloose:

well it was said he didn't get beat deep all year?  the First TD of the season was dead in his LAP......and that was a 60 yarder.

 

 

Now I got to go see for myself, I was thinking of the TD score in the end zone, where he had that "deer in the headlights look".

I think it was WP that said he didn't get beat deep and WP is always defending everyone. In some ways that is a good thing and in some ways I think it gives a false picture to the player in question. We all know Roy does not need any false pictures.

I still haven't seen that pass play, but I bet that was on the CB not Roy. I actually can't recall Roy giving up ONE deep pass all year. But like people have mentioned he was taken out in alot of those pure pass plays. But the guy obviously still has range to not give up the deep ball. Remember when this team used to give up the deep pass every game? Now it's rare that you see the Boys get burnt deep.

Cause he's not on the field

deuceizloose:

Cause he's not on the field

Really? I'll tell you what. I have nothing to do today and I just happen to have all of the games from 07 on my DVR. I'll go through them and count all of the passing plays that Roy was on the field. And the passing plays he wasn't. Just a guess, but something tells me that he'll be on the field for probably more than 85% of the passing plays.

If my wife permits, that is.

Presto512:

GrizzlyBear:

Presto512:

deuceizloose:

well it was said he didn't get beat deep all year?  the First TD of the season was dead in his LAP......and that was a 60 yarder.

 

 

Now I got to go see for myself, I was thinking of the TD score in the end zone, where he had that "deer in the headlights look".

I think it was WP that said he didn't get beat deep and WP is always defending everyone. In some ways that is a good thing and in some ways I think it gives a false picture to the player in question. We all know Roy does not need any false pictures.

I still haven't seen that pass play, but I bet that was on the CB not Roy. I actually can't recall Roy giving up ONE deep pass all year. But like people have mentioned he was taken out in alot of those pure pass plays. But the guy obviously still has range to not give up the deep ball. Remember when this team used to give up the deep pass every game? Now it's rare that you see the Boys get burnt deep.

Duece and I have went round and round concerning that play.

It is obvious to me that Henry got burned, plain and simple.  It was a play action fake that drew RW up a bit, combined with a good crossing route by Plax that turned Henry around and got him out of position.

The simple fact that according to the HEAD COACH RW did not get burned deep, one could easily assume that Wade considered that a blown coverage by Henry, rather than by RW.

I know that as a man, and a competitor, Henry should blame himself rather than trying to dump the responsibility on RW.   Each of us are expected to do our own jobs....expecting help "over the top" is generally not an option for us........why not hold the players to the same standard?

Drewstar:

deuceizloose:

Cause he's not on the field

Really? I'll tell you what. I have nothing to do today and I just happen to have all of the games from 07 on my DVR. I'll go through them and count all of the passing plays that Roy was on the field. And the passing plays he wasn't. Just a guess, but something tells me that he'll be on the field for probably more than 85% of the passing plays.

If my wife permits, that is.

God, the whole "pulled on passing downs b.s." has been totally blown out of proportion!

Roy generally moved up to the nickel LB spot on 3rd and long or 4th and long....he was generally NOT pulled out of the game, even though to read some of the blogs you'd swear the man was benched half the season!   

Funny thing about RW.   People keep picking on him for a handful of plays when he was in for more than 600 plays last season!  If they held Romo to the same standard they hold RW too, Tony would "suck" too!   

QB 09 2 81:

Drewstar:

deuceizloose:

Cause he's not on the field

Really? I'll tell you what. I have nothing to do today and I just happen to have all of the games from 07 on my DVR. I'll go through them and count all of the passing plays that Roy was on the field. And the passing plays he wasn't. Just a guess, but something tells me that he'll be on the field for probably more than 85% of the passing plays.

If my wife permits, that is.

God, the whole "pulled on passing downs b.s." has been totally blown out of proportion!

Roy generally moved up to the nickel LB spot on 3rd and long or 4th and long....he was generally NOT pulled out of the game, even though to read some of the blogs you'd swear the man was benched half the season!   

Funny thing about RW.   People keep picking on him for a handful of plays when he was in for more than 600 plays last season!  If they held Romo to the same standard they hold RW too, Tony would "suck" too!   

Maybe he wasn't pulled on passing plays as much as people are saying, but it's quite obvious the coaching staff is looking to "hide" him and this year they finally have enough talent in the defensive backfield to do just that. Now whether he's sulking next to Wade on the sidelines or slides up toward the LOS, there is very little doubt he will not be lined up at SS a good percentage of the time in obvious passing situations.

QB 09 2 81:

Drewstar:

deuceizloose:

Cause he's not on the field

Really? I'll tell you what. I have nothing to do today and I just happen to have all of the games from 07 on my DVR. I'll go through them and count all of the passing plays that Roy was on the field. And the passing plays he wasn't. Just a guess, but something tells me that he'll be on the field for probably more than 85% of the passing plays.

If my wife permits, that is.

God, the whole "pulled on passing downs b.s." has been totally blown out of proportion!

Roy generally moved up to the nickel LB spot on 3rd and long or 4th and long....he was generally NOT pulled out of the game, even though to read some of the blogs you'd swear the man was benched half the season!   

Funny thing about RW.   People keep picking on him for a handful of plays when he was in for more than 600 plays last season!  If they held Romo to the same standard they hold RW too, Tony would "suck" too!   

 

 http://www.nfl.com/players/roywilliams/profile?id=WIL512486

 

here is a link...it's Roy Williams player page.  If I remember correctly...Roy wasn't hurt????  Correct?  He was however suspended the Panthers game......so that's why he has Only 15 games on the games played side.......why does he only have 13  Game Starts?  ROY WAS BENCHED!!!!  The stats do prove that.  He went from our starting SS to a nickel LB .....to coming off the field on passing downs......to losing his starting job in 2 games.

 

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/05/19/roy-williams-is-the-only-cowboys-player-bill-parcells-isnt-int/

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/8453156

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/8453156   Notice it said BACK on the Bench, meaning he was there before

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/8453156

 

So I'm not sure where you guys are thinking Roy didn't come off the field in passing situations.

 

QB.....on that play Roy had deep middle, he did both of the things you mentioned....bit up on PA....then tried to blow up Toomer on the crossing Route..who was being covered pretty well by Reeves(maybe the only time he ever covered well)  Hamlin was covering Shockey on a Corner/Out Route.......Akin followed Jacobs after the PA.......Henry was on Burress.......so using common sense.....out of the 4 who do you think would demand the help?  Yeah probably Burress!  So If we are going to double Burress, then we are going to have to man everyone else.....which still is consistant to what were seeing.  And Even If Henry was in Man to Man you typically will have a Saftey back for worse case scenario!  But Henry was expecting help......Roy made to incorrect reads, first knowing you have deep middle NO WAY do you even contimplate coming up for Run Support  until you see the ball cross the LOS, 2nd mistake; he then bit on a crossing route(looking to Jack-up Toomer) opposed to not letting anything get behind him!  Why would you give away the dollar to save 10 cents?  Well that's what Roy did......and ultimately it caused Wade to play him at LB........and then to not playing on passing downs all the way to losing starts.