PrimeTime00:

Quickdraw:

GMan,

Members of this site may not share the same viewpoint as you but because their opinion holds the same weight as yours, mine and everyone else's on this forum, there's no need to call them morons.

Thanks.  

 

Someone has grown up  

Actually. I am a moron and have proven that with many postings so I do not take offense. I see on the site today that Jerry is trying to do a little damage control on the Roy show. This has to die soon or it will become more than it really is and we know how the media likes to weigh in on us. Regardless of what Roy has said, the team needs to come out unified behind him or the media will "assume" and "suppose" this into a no win situation for Roy. He has opened a can of worms and I am really pissed at him but he is a Cowboy and that gets him some wiggle room with me. As I have posted several times, there we are at 12-1, having dispatched the packers and now the sole front runner for the ring, in the NFC, and they do a hatchet job on Roy in the Dallas Morning News on the front sports page making him defend himself. It was low even by the News' standards. Ellis tried to help and that turns into a soap opera with the media trying to make his meeting with Stewart and Maxie into something. Now, the owner is doing damage control and trying to support Roy. I watched the Sooners when Roy played there and he was not a cover safety, he was a game wrecking LB/Safety hybrid that brought havoc around the line. You could see it in the QB's eyes when he would approach the line. For you posters too young to remember, two of the worst corners we ever had were Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters because neither had corner speed or reactions. Both became great pro bowl safeties on SB teams with Harris on the All Decade Team. If we drafted Roy to be a cover safety, then we are at fault, not him. And look at the D he played on, full of All Americans. That is the weakest part of his game and if you continue to put someone in a no win situation and in the spotlight because of it, how can you possibly expect them to stay confident? It doesn't matter whether you or I believe he can do it, it's got to start with Roy believing. And at this moment, it doesn't sound like he does.

CouchCoach:

PrimeTime00:

Quickdraw:

GMan,

Members of this site may not share the same viewpoint as you but because their opinion holds the same weight as yours, mine and everyone else's on this forum, there's no need to call them morons.

Thanks.  

 

Someone has grown up  

Actually. I am a moron and have proven that with many postings so I do not take offense. I see on the site today that Jerry is trying to do a little damage control on the Roy show. This has to die soon or it will become more than it really is and we know how the media likes to weigh in on us. Regardless of what Roy has said, the team needs to come out unified behind him or the media will "assume" and "suppose" this into a no win situation for Roy. He has opened a can of worms and I am really pissed at him but he is a Cowboy and that gets him some wiggle room with me. As I have posted several times, there we are at 12-1, having dispatched the packers and now the sole front runner for the ring, in the NFC, and they do a hatchet job on Roy in the Dallas Morning News on the front sports page making him defend himself. It was low even by the News' standards. Ellis tried to help and that turns into a soap opera with the media trying to make his meeting with Stewart and Maxie into something. Now, the owner is doing damage control and trying to support Roy. I watched the Sooners when Roy played there and he was not a cover safety, he was a game wrecking LB/Safety hybrid that brought havoc around the line. You could see it in the QB's eyes when he would approach the line. For you posters too young to remember, two of the worst corners we ever had were Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters because neither had corner speed or reactions. Both became great pro bowl safeties on SB teams with Harris on the All Decade Team. If we drafted Roy to be a cover safety, then we are at fault, not him. And look at the D he played on, full of All Americans. That is the weakest part of his game and if you continue to put someone in a no win situation and in the spotlight because of it, how can you possibly expect them to stay confident? It doesn't matter whether you or I believe he can do it, it's got to start with Roy believing. And at this moment, it doesn't sound like he does.

 

I agree with the Roy part...not the moron part  

PrimeTime00:

CouchCoach:

PrimeTime00:

Quickdraw:

GMan,

Members of this site may not share the same viewpoint as you but because their opinion holds the same weight as yours, mine and everyone else's on this forum, there's no need to call them morons.

Thanks.  

 

Someone has grown up  

Actually. I am a moron and have proven that with many postings so I do not take offense. I see on the site today that Jerry is trying to do a little damage control on the Roy show. This has to die soon or it will become more than it really is and we know how the media likes to weigh in on us. Regardless of what Roy has said, the team needs to come out unified behind him or the media will "assume" and "suppose" this into a no win situation for Roy. He has opened a can of worms and I am really pissed at him but he is a Cowboy and that gets him some wiggle room with me. As I have posted several times, there we are at 12-1, having dispatched the packers and now the sole front runner for the ring, in the NFC, and they do a hatchet job on Roy in the Dallas Morning News on the front sports page making him defend himself. It was low even by the News' standards. Ellis tried to help and that turns into a soap opera with the media trying to make his meeting with Stewart and Maxie into something. Now, the owner is doing damage control and trying to support Roy. I watched the Sooners when Roy played there and he was not a cover safety, he was a game wrecking LB/Safety hybrid that brought havoc around the line. You could see it in the QB's eyes when he would approach the line. For you posters too young to remember, two of the worst corners we ever had were Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters because neither had corner speed or reactions. Both became great pro bowl safeties on SB teams with Harris on the All Decade Team. If we drafted Roy to be a cover safety, then we are at fault, not him. And look at the D he played on, full of All Americans. That is the weakest part of his game and if you continue to put someone in a no win situation and in the spotlight because of it, how can you possibly expect them to stay confident? It doesn't matter whether you or I believe he can do it, it's got to start with Roy believing. And at this moment, it doesn't sound like he does.

 

I agree with the Roy part...not the moron part  

The truth has been spoken

CouchCoach:

RockyMtCboyFan:

Webber:

Just a question but has ESPN or the NFL Network reported on any of Roy's comments?  I have been listening but have not heard. 

Coach, you touched on Roy being called into the front office.  Was there any discipline laid down to Roy or do we know?  I just don't hear a lot where I live and I do not trust ESPN or NFL Network to spin the comments in a truthful and unbiased manner.

Someone please let me know.

Apparently it was to "clear the air" here is the story as reported in the Dallas Morning News: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/051108dnspocowlede.3a26947.html 

Don't really know what happened in that meeting because Stewart amd Maxie didn't talk about it and probably won't. After the things Williams has said, I wouldn't take his word on any conversations especially that lack of communication crap. The only lack of communication is he's too lazy to study film or too stupid to understand it. If they're truly going to get him more involved and that includes the passing game, we've all been watching a different player. I am sure they want to see if they can salvage him for the money he is being paid and so far Watkins and Brown haven't stepped up, but maybe this year? I am sure of one thing. Brian Stewart addressed that comment about our corners earning the big bucks and not covering for him he made on Irvin's show. I don't care that much about the fans comment or the fear factor because those are personal comments but you just don't speak poorly of your teammates to the media and even insinuate something. It's just not done. In that game that Woody's arm was dangling by his side, in a losing effort, and he makes that tackle with his head and neck, no player was ever more justified in calling his teammates out for quitting and all he did was defend them. Like I've said a thousand times, posters we need leaders. Where are our leaders? Some make those comparisons about our 92 team, where are the leaders even close to any of those players, including QB.

Coach, How can they step up if they dont get an opportunity to play?  It seems like Roy roster spot is never open for competition, and it's the main reason Keith Davis left dallas.  If it was up to the coaches alone, Roy will play only on first downs against running team, I think Jerry Jones has a lot of influence on the game day roster.  he wants to see his highest paid players on the field regardless if they are struggling or not.

rphillips:

Cowboys Pro Bowl safety Roy Williams has been a hot topic over the last few days, starting with Greg Ellis' Sirius Radio comments that his friend and teammate didn't feel comfortable in the team's 3-4 defense.

Williams has since been quoted as saying he's more optimistic about next season after meeting with his defensive coaches. How can the Cowboys make him more effective?

I believe having Coach Campo back will do wonders for Roy. He was there in his early years and can offer options to Coach Phillips as to how they can get the best out of Roy. With that said Roy has to help himself. He has to study, improve his craft, and get into better shape. He has to remember that this is a team game and each player has to play his role in the 34 in order to make it a success.

Move him to line backer, or get rid of him.  A Safety who can't cover is like a quarterback who can't throw, useless. 

It's simple really.......A BETTER PASS RUSH!!!!!!! You think the G-Men have good courners? Or safties? NO, they have a really good pass rush! Roy will look alot better if he only has to cover for 2 or 3 seconds.

I think we all need to shut up our criticism of Roy.  We all know the problems he is having and I think the statements he made may have been just an outcry for help.  Irregardless, he is  a Cowboy and I think he is frustrated and confused and needs some direction and support.  As long as he is on the roster I support him because I support my team.  I believe like many others on here that Campo is just what the doctor ordered to get him motivated again, at least I hope so.

As for high school players being better than Roy, I think that is blogger Fodder out of anger.  No high schooler is better than an NFL athlete.  Just from a maturity factor that can't be.

You know we (me included) have been bashing our team all off season.  If players read our forum they might just think with fans like these who needs enemies.  I think we all need to lessen up on the bashing.  This is our team and we are true fans who are not going anywhere just because we don't see things the way the coaches or players do. 

I am excited about the coming season.  I believe we are going to have a great season and we will win in the playoffs.  Let's be united and not give the media anything to report.  That is probably the best fan support we can give our team! 

I respectfully disagree GMan. Roy can play in this league, but he is not the premiere player that he once was. He has showns his flaws and they are not being exploited. I am sure there would be teams lined up to snatch him, if and when he leaves here.

I am not saying that I like the guy's play, but come-on......he belongs in the pros.

When i saw the footage of Roy's water resistance training i couldnt help notice that he still looks out of shape,he has the muscle foundation but he is kinda flabby. This is his last year to show Jerry Jones that he has what it takes to step up and play  football the way he did in his glory days,if not its not going to be a pretty site when the cut him in 09'. But we can have faith cant we?

kiwutajr:

CouchCoach:

RockyMtCboyFan:

Webber:

Just a question but has ESPN or the NFL Network reported on any of Roy's comments?  I have been listening but have not heard. 

Coach, you touched on Roy being called into the front office.  Was there any discipline laid down to Roy or do we know?  I just don't hear a lot where I live and I do not trust ESPN or NFL Network to spin the comments in a truthful and unbiased manner.

Someone please let me know.

Apparently it was to "clear the air" here is the story as reported in the Dallas Morning News: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/051108dnspocowlede.3a26947.html 

Don't really know what happened in that meeting because Stewart amd Maxie didn't talk about it and probably won't. After the things Williams has said, I wouldn't take his word on any conversations especially that lack of communication crap. The only lack of communication is he's too lazy to study film or too stupid to understand it. If they're truly going to get him more involved and that includes the passing game, we've all been watching a different player. I am sure they want to see if they can salvage him for the money he is being paid and so far Watkins and Brown haven't stepped up, but maybe this year? I am sure of one thing. Brian Stewart addressed that comment about our corners earning the big bucks and not covering for him he made on Irvin's show. I don't care that much about the fans comment or the fear factor because those are personal comments but you just don't speak poorly of your teammates to the media and even insinuate something. It's just not done. In that game that Woody's arm was dangling by his side, in a losing effort, and he makes that tackle with his head and neck, no player was ever more justified in calling his teammates out for quitting and all he did was defend them. Like I've said a thousand times, posters we need leaders. Where are our leaders? Some make those comparisons about our 92 team, where are the leaders even close to any of those players, including QB.

Coach, How can they step up if they dont get an opportunity to play?  It seems like Roy roster spot is never open for competition, and it's the main reason Keith Davis left dallas.  If it was up to the coaches alone, Roy will play only on first downs against running team, I think Jerry Jones has a lot of influence on the game day roster.  he wants to see his highest paid players on the field regardless if they are struggling or not.

I am left to assume they can't get on the field because Wiiliams is better. It's the same with paying Flozell all that money because his backups can't take his job. All we have to go on are the coaches decisions which are the best players to put on the field and they sure know a lot more than I do. We're going to be faced with the same decisions at RT next year.

ValleyGMan:

Finally someone who's "man enough" to say things as ALL OF OUR EYES SEE IT!!!  Dude, I'm totally with you and I respect your honesty.  All of these other "wanna-be's" and "dreamers" can't seem to state the truth on anything, beginning with that idiot Spagnola.  I am amazed at how many morons log in here.  I am willing to bet NONE of these fools ever amounted to anything on the football field in their high school years.  That's right, I said high school, because no true and successful football player would ever think Williams has a chance to change or is even good.  He was only good his first year or two because Darren Woodson made him look good back there.  Ever since Darren left, he's been nothing but the chump that he is.  Point blank, the guy just can't play football.  I can find thousands of high school athletes that can play way better than that fool.  You're right, ever since he got that huge contract renewal, he's been a bust.  That is the real Roy Williams and people simply can't accept that.  So, thanks for stating the truth on here.  You're one of the few who does. 

WOW !! ValleyGMan who pee'd on your Corn Flakes this morning ??

Cowpoke:

It's simple really.......A BETTER PASS RUSH!!!!!!! You think the G-Men have good courners? Or safties? NO, they have a really good pass rush! Roy will look alot better if he only has to cover for 2 or 3 seconds.

Cowpoke, we can't have a better pass rush until we stop playing off the receivers and giving the QB an outlet. I am taking a wait and see approach on that because they did it with Henry and Newman, not just Reeves. Playing 8 off on a 3rd and 5 is just plain stupid to me. Sure, we don't want to give up the big play but do we want to let them move the chains into the end zone like mthe Giants did? I am hoping that was a player situation and not the real scheme. That was Phillips first year here and Stewart's first as a DC, we'll see.

CouchCoach:

kiwutajr:

CouchCoach:

RockyMtCboyFan:

Webber:

Just a question but has ESPN or the NFL Network reported on any of Roy's comments?  I have been listening but have not heard. 

Coach, you touched on Roy being called into the front office.  Was there any discipline laid down to Roy or do we know?  I just don't hear a lot where I live and I do not trust ESPN or NFL Network to spin the comments in a truthful and unbiased manner.

Someone please let me know.

Apparently it was to "clear the air" here is the story as reported in the Dallas Morning News: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/051108dnspocowlede.3a26947.html 

Don't really know what happened in that meeting because Stewart amd Maxie didn't talk about it and probably won't. After the things Williams has said, I wouldn't take his word on any conversations especially that lack of communication crap. The only lack of communication is he's too lazy to study film or too stupid to understand it. If they're truly going to get him more involved and that includes the passing game, we've all been watching a different player. I am sure they want to see if they can salvage him for the money he is being paid and so far Watkins and Brown haven't stepped up, but maybe this year? I am sure of one thing. Brian Stewart addressed that comment about our corners earning the big bucks and not covering for him he made on Irvin's show. I don't care that much about the fans comment or the fear factor because those are personal comments but you just don't speak poorly of your teammates to the media and even insinuate something. It's just not done. In that game that Woody's arm was dangling by his side, in a losing effort, and he makes that tackle with his head and neck, no player was ever more justified in calling his teammates out for quitting and all he did was defend them. Like I've said a thousand times, posters we need leaders. Where are our leaders? Some make those comparisons about our 92 team, where are the leaders even close to any of those players, including QB.

Coach, How can they step up if they dont get an opportunity to play?  It seems like Roy roster spot is never open for competition, and it's the main reason Keith Davis left dallas.  If it was up to the coaches alone, Roy will play only on first downs against running team, I think Jerry Jones has a lot of influence on the game day roster.  he wants to see his highest paid players on the field regardless if they are struggling or not.

I am left to assume they can't get on the field because Wiiliams is better. It's the same with paying Flozell all that money because his backups can't take his job. All we have to go on are the coaches decisions which are the best players to put on the field and they sure know a lot more than I do. We're going to be faced with the same decisions at RT next year.

That really is what we are left with here... as fans we must assume that the coaches will put the best players on the field to win. What else is there? I do believe that if Julius would have stayed with the Cowboys MBarber would have started--assuming MBIII comes to camp. Roy was the best at his position on the Cowboys team last season. Now, there are economic considerations, but those considerations determine who is on the team, not who plays and what opportunities they have once on the team. I know there are some players who practice better than they play in games and some play better in games than they do in practice--again that is a coaches determination and they get paid a lot of money to make those decisions and their call--- also, their jobs are on the line and it is hard for me to believe that they would not play the player that best puts them in a position to win a game. I am not naive enough to believe that it is a perfect world and that there are not factors that come to play--even Coach Phillips said that in regards to Carpenter that he sort-of got shelved because of other factors and was not given the chance--people/players get lost but the bottom line is that the players job is to be noticed and to make plays...the coaches are to get the players in position to know what to expect and to make plays. The Roy issue is back at him... make a play. The onus is on the guys behind him to make a case for themselves by getting better and competing.

Look on the bright side Coach.  At least we were smart enough not pay Reeves $4 million for is good play like the Texans did.  Wonder which game they watched last year to arrive at that conclusion?