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How can the Cowboys make Roy Williams more effective on defense?

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  • 05-15-2008 1:02 PM In reply to

    Re: How can the Cowboys make Roy Williams more effective on defense?

    soonercowboy:

    When i saw the footage of Roy's water resistance training i couldnt help notice that he still looks out of shape,he has the muscle foundation but he is kinda flabby. This is his last year to show Jerry Jones that he has what it takes to step up and play  football the way he did in his glory days,if not its not going to be a pretty site when the cut him in 09'. But we can have faith cant we?

    I think he's lazy and has been getting by on his instincts and hasn't been motivated to use the gym to get in better shape. Well, he better be motivated now because he's getting a lot of negative press on the outside and conversely, is getting a lot of support from within. Roy needs to understand he's got a lot of people pulling for him BUT he's got to do the work to bring himself back. He needs a regimen like TO, hell they all need a regimen like him. Barring a career injury, I believe he can play until he's 40. He looks like he did when he was a Niner, just as fast and strong. I could see a little slippage with Rice (another workout phenom) but I am not seeing any of that with TO yet.
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  • 05-15-2008 1:07 PM In reply to

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    CouchCoach:
    Cowpoke:

    It's simple really.......A BETTER PASS RUSH!!!!!!! You think the G-Men have good courners? Or safties? NO, they have a really good pass rush! Roy will look alot better if he only has to cover for 2 or 3 seconds.

    Cowpoke, we can't have a better pass rush until we stop playing off the receivers and giving the QB an outlet. I am taking a wait and see approach on that because they did it with Henry and Newman, not just Reeves. Playing 8 off on a 3rd and 5 is just plain stupid to me. Sure, we don't want to give up the big play but do we want to let them move the chains into the end zone like mthe Giants did? I am hoping that was a player situation and not the real scheme. That was Phillips first year here and Stewart's first as a DC, we'll see.

    I noticed the cbs were playing off...and yes, by the others (other than Reeves) mostly around the middle of the field. But Reeves would even play 10-yards off when they were on the 9 yard line. I am expecting tighter coverage next season--I hope I am not disappointed. However, I do expect that the philosophy still will be that QB pressure is utmost and foremost the defensive approach...and one I concur with.

  • 05-15-2008 1:19 PM In reply to

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    RockyMtCboyFan:

    CouchCoach:
    kiwutajr:

    CouchCoach:
    RockyMtCboyFan:

    Webber:

    Just a question but has ESPN or the NFL Network reported on any of Roy's comments?  I have been listening but have not heard. 

    Coach, you touched on Roy being called into the front office.  Was there any discipline laid down to Roy or do we know?  I just don't hear a lot where I live and I do not trust ESPN or NFL Network to spin the comments in a truthful and unbiased manner.

    Someone please let me know.

    Apparently it was to "clear the air" here is the story as reported in the Dallas Morning News: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/051108dnspocowlede.3a26947.html 

    Don't really know what happened in that meeting because Stewart amd Maxie didn't talk about it and probably won't. After the things Williams has said, I wouldn't take his word on any conversations especially that lack of communication crap. The only lack of communication is he's too lazy to study film or too stupid to understand it. If they're truly going to get him more involved and that includes the passing game, we've all been watching a different player. I am sure they want to see if they can salvage him for the money he is being paid and so far Watkins and Brown haven't stepped up, but maybe this year? I am sure of one thing. Brian Stewart addressed that comment about our corners earning the big bucks and not covering for him he made on Irvin's show. I don't care that much about the fans comment or the fear factor because those are personal comments but you just don't speak poorly of your teammates to the media and even insinuate something. It's just not done. In that game that Woody's arm was dangling by his side, in a losing effort, and he makes that tackle with his head and neck, no player was ever more justified in calling his teammates out for quitting and all he did was defend them. Like I've said a thousand times, posters we need leaders. Where are our leaders? Some make those comparisons about our 92 team, where are the leaders even close to any of those players, including QB.

    Coach, How can they step up if they dont get an opportunity to play?  It seems like Roy roster spot is never open for competition, and it's the main reason Keith Davis left dallas.  If it was up to the coaches alone, Roy will play only on first downs against running team, I think Jerry Jones has a lot of influence on the game day roster.  he wants to see his highest paid players on the field regardless if they are struggling or not.

    I am left to assume they can't get on the field because Wiiliams is better. It's the same with paying Flozell all that money because his backups can't take his job. All we have to go on are the coaches decisions which are the best players to put on the field and they sure know a lot more than I do. We're going to be faced with the same decisions at RT next year.

    That really is what we are left with here... as fans we must assume that the coaches will put the best players on the field to win. What else is there? I do believe that if Julius would have stayed with the Cowboys MBarber would have started--assuming MBIII comes to camp. Roy was the best at his position on the Cowboys team last season. Now, there are economic considerations, but those considerations determine who is on the team, not who plays and what opportunities they have once on the team. I know there are some players who practice better than they play in games and some play better in games than they do in practice--again that is a coaches determination and they get paid a lot of money to make those decisions and their call--- also, their jobs are on the line and it is hard for me to believe that they would not play the player that best puts them in a position to win a game. I am not naive enough to believe that it is a perfect world and that there are not factors that come to play--even Coach Phillips said that in regards to Carpenter that he sort-of got shelved because of other factors and was not given the chance--people/players get lost but the bottom line is that the players job is to be noticed and to make plays...the coaches are to get the players in position to know what to expect and to make plays. The Roy issue is back at him... make a play. The onus is on the guys behind him to make a case for themselves by getting better and competing.

    Great post Rocky. I will add to that if Houck says keep Adams, we keep him. If he says keep Columbo, ditto. If Campo really feels he can bring Roy back (and Roy is willing to put in the work which is the ? for me), I gotta go with that. Sherman's not upset we didn't take a WR, I'm fine. Most of the other coaches don't have a history here or haven't earned my respect yet (not that that is important to anyone but me) like Phillips, Stewart or Maxie. Not a negative, they just haven't earned anything yet. And I no longer care about regular season records unless that keeps us out of post season. We are a contender, maybe the contender, and the bar is a lot higher than 13-3 and 0-1.
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  • 05-15-2008 1:27 PM In reply to

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    Webber:

    Look on the bright side Coach.  At least we were smart enough not pay Reeves $4 million for is good play like the Texans did.  Wonder which game they watched last year to arrive at that conclusion? 

    Webber, that's also a Spagnola thing. He said we will wish we had him back and compared it to when everyone was mad at Flozell until he went down and his replacement gave up the most sacks in the league while being chased for that dubious title by our other OT, who came in aclose 2nd. Come to think of it, I'm mellowing on last year just thinking of that train wreck of a season.
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  • 05-15-2008 1:34 PM In reply to

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    I think we also need to look at the injury list from last year.  Most teams that have injuries to key players don't do very well and often times miss the playoffs all together when they were projected to be in the dance when the season began.  An article from last year comes to mind about the quarters we had players injured in 2005 and 2006.  If you recall we didn't have too many players hurt during these years we just didn't have good enough players at the time to consistantly win.  Last year's W-L record was a pleasant surprise.  We lost Glenn for the entire season (he was basically worthless in that playoff game).  We lost substantial time with both Newman and Henry, thus the Reeves coverage issues and then we lost, perhaps, our key player of all in TO late in the season who was still not healthy against the Giants.  I am not saying Glenn or TO had anything to do with it Roy's problems but maybe, just maybe part of Roy's problem last year was the constant changing taking place in the defensive backfield.  I don't know for sure but it's worth giving him an "over" if you will.  I am waiting to see what happens this year.  If we remain healthy throughout the team we can be a great contender if not the champ at seasons end.  If we have several serious time loss injuries we will be in trouble as would any other NFL team.  Just a thought.

  • 05-15-2008 1:35 PM In reply to

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    RockyMtCboyFan:

    CouchCoach:
    Cowpoke:

    It's simple really.......A BETTER PASS RUSH!!!!!!! You think the G-Men have good courners? Or safties? NO, they have a really good pass rush! Roy will look alot better if he only has to cover for 2 or 3 seconds.

    Cowpoke, we can't have a better pass rush until we stop playing off the receivers and giving the QB an outlet. I am taking a wait and see approach on that because they did it with Henry and Newman, not just Reeves. Playing 8 off on a 3rd and 5 is just plain stupid to me. Sure, we don't want to give up the big play but do we want to let them move the chains into the end zone like mthe Giants did? I am hoping that was a player situation and not the real scheme. That was Phillips first year here and Stewart's first as a DC, we'll see.

    I noticed the cbs were playing off...and yes, by the others (other than Reeves) mostly around the middle of the field. But Reeves would even play 10-yards off when they were on the 9 yard line. I am expecting tighter coverage next season--I hope I am not disappointed. However, I do expect that the philosophy still will be that QB pressure is utmost and foremost the defensive approach...and one I concur with.

    Yep, Ima concurring with you. We're not a coverage sack team gotta bring that front 7 and maybe a DB occasionally. One thing that concerns me is the speedy quick WR on Henry, that's his weakness. As a matter of fact, if you guys remember when we first got Henry and he played against TO, he shut him down. Good against those large slower WRs but those qucik guys are a real problem for him and 3 receiver sets means he gets no help up top. I don't know why I'm worried, he'll get injured early on and we'll get to see Jenkins, Jones or Scandrick. Guy plays 4 full seasons (and Campo was his cioach for part of that) in Cleveland. We get him and he has yet to play 1. And when he plays, he makes a difference, damn shame.
    The road to the Superbowl is full of potholes, speed traps and road rage.
  • 05-15-2008 1:39 PM In reply to

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    CouchCoach:
    Webber:

    Look on the bright side Coach.  At least we were smart enough not pay Reeves $4 million for is good play like the Texans did.  Wonder which game they watched last year to arrive at that conclusion? 

    Webber, that's also a Spagnola thing. He said we will wish we had him back and compared it to when everyone was mad at Flozell until he went down and his replacement gave up the most sacks in the league while being chased for that dubious title by our other OT, who came in aclose 2nd. Come to think of it, I'm mellowing on last year just thinking of that train wreck of a season.

    My problem is I recently went back and watched a couple of the games and Reeves belongs in Houston--because when the other team was going south he played off about that far (Houston) --too bad there was not a team on Oklahoma, they might have been interested as well.... To go back to my earlier post, I have to believe that Reeves was the best that the Cowboys had available--with Henry hurt and no one else. However, I think that even a rookie with confidence could come in and do as well... and maybe they give up a TD by getting beat, but I can not believe that is worse than giving up 5-, 10- yard chunks until they finally score... at least if they score quick Romo and Co have a chance to get it back.

  • 05-15-2008 1:43 PM In reply to

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    CouchCoach:
    RockyMtCboyFan:

    CouchCoach:
    Cowpoke:

    It's simple really.......A BETTER PASS RUSH!!!!!!! You think the G-Men have good courners? Or safties? NO, they have a really good pass rush! Roy will look alot better if he only has to cover for 2 or 3 seconds.

    Cowpoke, we can't have a better pass rush until we stop playing off the receivers and giving the QB an outlet. I am taking a wait and see approach on that because they did it with Henry and Newman, not just Reeves. Playing 8 off on a 3rd and 5 is just plain stupid to me. Sure, we don't want to give up the big play but do we want to let them move the chains into the end zone like mthe Giants did? I am hoping that was a player situation and not the real scheme. That was Phillips first year here and Stewart's first as a DC, we'll see.

    I noticed the cbs were playing off...and yes, by the others (other than Reeves) mostly around the middle of the field. But Reeves would even play 10-yards off when they were on the 9 yard line. I am expecting tighter coverage next season--I hope I am not disappointed. However, I do expect that the philosophy still will be that QB pressure is utmost and foremost the defensive approach...and one I concur with.

    Yep, Ima concurring with you. We're not a coverage sack team gotta bring that front 7 and maybe a DB occasionally. One thing that concerns me is the speedy quick WR on Henry, that's his weakness. As a matter of fact, if you guys remember when we first got Henry and he played against TO, he shut him down. Good against those large slower WRs but those qucik guys are a real problem for him and 3 receiver sets means he gets no help up top. I don't know why I'm worried, he'll get injured early on and we'll get to see Jenkins, Jones or Scandrick. Guy plays 4 full seasons (and Campo was his cioach for part of that) in Cleveland. We get him and he has yet to play 1. And when he plays, he makes a difference, damn shame.

    Yea... I like Henry's physical play and his ability to play the ball (ints) but he cannot stay on the field. What do you think, Jenkins starting by game 5 because of injury?

  • 05-15-2008 1:57 PM In reply to

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    I strongly recommend that Roy be required to read Spagnola's blog, "In search for the old Roy". We don't need a high dollor back blaming everyone but himself. If you are smoking something that is getting in the way of you playing when you first stepped in the game, Roy, than quit, and start playing up to speed like the "Old Roy". Maybe its a weight promblem only, dunno! I have your jersey and I got it with great pride because you "were" the man! Now, all I see is to much crying. Step up, man! And thanks for changing your number, but no thanks! Guess I'm gonna have to use it as a clean up rag, now. Prove us wrong! We don't forget has beens, only when they are full of excuses do we lose respect. If you don't have what it takes anymore, mind, body, Soul, and Spirit, than I understand its time to hang them gloves up and I'll be one fan who will hurrah you for many years to come. Man up! Get the lead out! Or get out! Got nothing but true love for you here bud. No lieing involved.

  • 05-15-2008 2:40 PM In reply to

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    I don't understand some of the things posted here. Some people are worried about moving K. Hamlin to SS. Why? That is the position he played in Seattle and I personally think a backfield of Hamlin SS and Watkins FS would be better than what Roy has contributed so far.

    Definitely need to make this an open competition for the SS spot this summer. He has not done anything to deserve that starting spot handed to him.

    And since he feels fans don't support him enough, I think having ZERO sales of his #38 jersey will send a pretty clear message...

  • 05-15-2008 3:01 PM In reply to

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    SGWGeneral:

    I don't understand some of the things posted here. Some people are worried about moving K. Hamlin to SS. Why? That is the position he played in Seattle and I personally think a backfield of Hamlin SS and Watkins FS would be better than what Roy has contributed so far.

    Definitely need to make this an open competition for the SS spot this summer. He has not done anything to deserve that starting spot handed to him.

    And since he feels fans don't support him enough, I think having ZERO sales of his #38 jersey will send a pretty clear message...

    I'm not worried about Hamlin, I worried about who moves in at FS and Henry's not an option. Watkins hasn't shown anything yet and the DCs will just look for the weakest link. I haven't seen anything to disspell the rap on Watkins yet. The scouting report said his legs were too long and he couldn't change direction in a small enough space to either close on the ball or make up ground to make a play. Have no idea if that's correct, I haven't seen him play enough in an isolated situation. He did improve in the ST in the last half of the year and maybe some confidence is all he needs. He had plenty of that when he got here, let's see what he's got left. This year, he gets to prove steal or reach in the 5th.
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  • 05-15-2008 3:43 PM In reply to

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    We don't need to be changing where the players are on defense.  This will cause the entire learning process from last year to be almost a waste.  Just need Roy or whoever his replacement is to just step up.  This shuffling around of players from one position to another is not the answer.

  • 05-15-2008 4:09 PM In reply to

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     I think Roy Williams is more of an enforcer.   He plays the corner position like a bruising linebacker (ala Ronnie Lott & Atwater).  If he can be in better position to take correct angles a pass plays and still help with the run.  I myself don't know how to do that, but mybe Campo can.  But, Roy can wear you out!!

  • 05-15-2008 4:18 PM In reply to

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    He plays the safety position like a bruising LB is what I meant to say.  Also, he's always a top rush tackler.  Don't take him out of that game.

  • 05-15-2008 4:23 PM In reply to

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      More corner blitzes, he has 6.5 sacks and usaully gets into the backfeild when they sent him.  Also,  teach him how to tackle at the waist not the horse-collar.  I like Roy.  One of my favorite Cowboy's still!!!  He was a star when the team didn't have many on the roster.

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