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Do the Cowboys have enough depth at receiver for 2008?

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  • 05-21-2008 6:13 PM In reply to

    Re: Do the Cowboys have enough depth at receiver for 2008?

    Fan since 1975:

    Your correct Eli did throw for almost a 1000 fewer yards. But as was pointed out before the GMen have a much more complete run game than we do. They didn't have to rely on the pass almost everydown. They could tire your D out with Run, Run, Run and then catch you with your pants down with a nice pass. Realistically we could really only count on MBIII. No disrespect intended towards JJ. He just didn't fit into our Offense anymore and he wasn't benefitting himself or the Team.

    Here is where we disagree AGAIN 75.

    Eli threw for 1000 less yards and 10 more INTS because on whole he sucks.  The Giants had to run the Ball to get pressure off Eli but I their RUSHING attack does not strike ANY fear in my heart as a team. We pretty much SHUT THAT TEAM DOWN.  If not for some very big plays with seconds left to go in the half, a punt return, and some horrible defense on our part, the Giants rushing attack does NOTHING against us.

  • 05-21-2008 6:14 PM In reply to

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    Orale'Romo1:

    Ok, so the Giants were the only great team.  They won the Super Bowl.  I guess I was watching a different season.

    Your sarcasm is well placed.
  • 05-21-2008 6:28 PM In reply to

    Re: Do the Cowboys have enough depth at receiver for 2008?

    gmo415:

    Weapon_X:

    No the Giants weren't the only great team but they got hot at the right time and we didn't.  They beat 4 division winners in a row on the road, that's impressive no matter how you slice it. 

    The Cowboys need to peak towards the end. They were believing the numbers and not taking care of business.

    I dont know if you fans get it.....BUT THIS COWBOYS TEAM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE THE BEST COWBOY TEAM OF ALL TIME

    YES....I SAID IT.   Player for Player, position for position, top to bottom this is without a doubt the best and deepest teams the Cowboys have ever had.

    Simply look.  Romo does not have the accolaides or wins that Troy had but he has already begun to break the Cowboys Record book.  Our Defense does not give up a TD with 47 seconds left and who knows what happens last year.

    Irvin is my favorite Cowboy but Owens is better.  He will be a 1st ballot hall of famer.

    The 3 Headed beast we post at Running back will be if not better, at least comperable to Emmitt in the Super Bowl years, and lets how Garrett incorporates Jones in the passing attack ala Marshall Faulk.

    With the OL: Flo is better than Mark   Kosier is not in the Class Allen.  Gurode is as good as Step ( this showed when he left the cowboys and went to Tenn. and was no longer protected by Nate and Allen ) Davis is at least as good as Nate, and Columbo is as good as the post injury Williams.

    On Defense....lets just say....We gone be a FEMALE DOG.  Look at the secondary.  2 top 5 picks in Newman and Pacman, and the RESERVES are even top picks or in Henry's case among the top corners in the league.  Ware is the best pass rusher we have had and Zach Thomas leads the HALL OF FAME in tackles....MOST OF YOUR SLEEP on this pick up. 

    Its going to be reeeeeeeal ugly for the league next year.  We are going to JUMP ON THE LEAGUE like the Pats did last year.  ( they got weaker on offense and defense this year )

  • 05-21-2008 6:31 PM In reply to

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    CouchCoach:
    WOW, I go lay my head on my Pooh pillow to catch a few sugar plums and SB rings, and you guys are at each other. All of this over a #3 WR that is signed to a long team deal and isn't going anywhere. Wasting space to argue over what should've been done, tch, tch. He is ours and we must make the best of it. Glenn is 50/50 and we must make the best of it. Evidently, our coaching and scouting staff didn't see the need to draft a WR and our WR Coach, one of the very best in the game, has publicly supported Stanback. I have followed Ray Sherman's career and the man doesn't just throw out compliments. One of these vet WRs will cost at least a #! and #2 and will hit the cap at 9-10M. Does this last sentence have any impact on thiose that keep posting we need to go get one of them? We have some serious decisions to make with 6 players THAT WE KNOW THE VALUE OF ON OUR TEAM! This is a team ready to take the next step and some want to bring in Chad Johnson to disrupt it? Boldin and Williams want more money. If we get either, then TO must go. Does anyone on this forum want that? We have more than enough weapons to take the next step and that's all that matters. Does is matter that we were the #2 O and #4 passing attack with this core of receivers?

    Well...just my 2 cents again.  We dont have a number 2 wideout problem.  Glenn will play. ( I dont care what anyone says at this point...i believe he will )  Crayton was solid.  Stanback has SUPER potential.  Hurd and Miles are solid and growing.  We are going to be a Female Dog this year.
  • 05-21-2008 6:32 PM In reply to

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    1team5rings:

    The best recievers in the draft arent as good as the young recievers we have now IMO. I think we have enough depth at reciever but only time will tell if the depth we have is good enough to push us to the superbowl

    i agree with the rookie

     

  • 05-21-2008 6:35 PM In reply to

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    T with:

    CouchCoach:
    WOW, I go lay my head on my Pooh pillow to catch a few sugar plums and SB rings, and you guys are at each other. All of this over a #3 WR that is signed to a long team deal and isn't going anywhere. Wasting space to argue over what should've been done, tch, tch. He is ours and we must make the best of it. Glenn is 50/50 and we must make the best of it. Evidently, our coaching and scouting staff didn't see the need to draft a WR and our WR Coach, one of the very best in the game, has publicly supported Stanback. I have followed Ray Sherman's career and the man doesn't just throw out compliments. One of these vet WRs will cost at least a #! and #2 and will hit the cap at 9-10M. Does this last sentence have any impact on thiose that keep posting we need to go get one of them? We have some serious decisions to make with 6 players THAT WE KNOW THE VALUE OF ON OUR TEAM! This is a team ready to take the next step and some want to bring in Chad Johnson to disrupt it? Boldin and Williams want more money. If we get either, then TO must go. Does anyone on this forum want that? We have more than enough weapons to take the next step and that's all that matters. Does is matter that we were the #2 O and #4 passing attack with this core of receivers?

    And when you say this corps of recievers... your major emphasis is placed on TO and Witten... and if one of them goes down again, throw all stats away! I am willing to bet that one of them goes out for a few games this year... and with Glenn at 50/50... count him out.

    No one said we had to sell the farm to pick up Johnson... and no where was it mentioned about drafting a reciever.

    But, you are entiteld to your opinion... and when we have our buts handed to us once more this year... maybe then people might stop trying to play the blind loyalists...

    But you guys just keep following the teachings of Mickey!

    Na.  We follow FOOTBALL.  And you seem to follow FANTASY football.  NOTHING! about our guys says they cannot get it done. Nothing. The common diatribe is that they did not get open when T.O. was out...its simply a myth.  They actually did.  The Protection broke down in Washington and it was a poorly called game by Red. Plus we did not need the win and rested many players.
  • 05-21-2008 6:37 PM In reply to

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    CouchCoach:
    T with:

    CouchCoach:
    WOW, I go lay my head on my Pooh pillow to catch a few sugar plums and SB rings, and you guys are at each other. All of this over a #3 WR that is signed to a long team deal and isn't going anywhere. Wasting space to argue over what should've been done, tch, tch. He is ours and we must make the best of it. Glenn is 50/50 and we must make the best of it. Evidently, our coaching and scouting staff didn't see the need to draft a WR and our WR Coach, one of the very best in the game, has publicly supported Stanback. I have followed Ray Sherman's career and the man doesn't just throw out compliments. One of these vet WRs will cost at least a #! and #2 and will hit the cap at 9-10M. Does this last sentence have any impact on thiose that keep posting we need to go get one of them? We have some serious decisions to make with 6 players THAT WE KNOW THE VALUE OF ON OUR TEAM! This is a team ready to take the next step and some want to bring in Chad Johnson to disrupt it? Boldin and Williams want more money. If we get either, then TO must go. Does anyone on this forum want that? We have more than enough weapons to take the next step and that's all that matters. Does is matter that we were the #2 O and #4 passing attack with this core of receivers?

    And when you say this corps of recievers... your major emphasis is placed on TO and Witten... and if one of them goes down again, throw all stats away! I am willing to bet that one of them goes out for a few games this year... and with Glenn at 50/50... count him out.

    No one said we had to sell the farm to pick up Johnson... and no where was it mentioned about drafting a reciever.

    But, you are entiteld to your opinion... and when we have our buts handed to us once more this year... maybe then people might stop trying to play the blind loyalists...

    But you guys just keep following the teachings of Mickey!

    T, I don't follow his teachings and can't to listen to him. If any of our key players go down, throw all the stats away. Just like I said in the previous post, we have no depth at any position, especially the most critical one. It's not blind loyalty, it's opening your eyes to see we've just got so much money to spend and we've got players that have earned the right to remain Cowboys, if we can afford them.
    We have no DEPTH?!?!?

    We are with out a DOUBT the DEEPEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE...lol lol   No DEBPT?!?  Please...  Name me any other team with 1st round picks riding the pine?

  • 05-21-2008 6:41 PM In reply to

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    Webber:

    I find it hard to believe that so many people feel we have to have a legit #2 WR as defined by the so-called experts.

    It is more important to the Dallas Cowboys that we are able to re-sign our six star Pro-Bowlers next year (assuming they continue producing at the level they have and we have no reason not to expect their productivity to continue) and our star DE the following year than to sign a #2 WR this year at $8-$10 million per year plus a huge part of the contract would be guaranteed as is the trend now in the NFL.  To do this is "selling the farm"!

    No one looks short term anymore whether in the business world or in professional sports.  You have to look long range and at the full picture.  Think what you want, that's your right but I would ask that you at least sit back and allow yourselves to be objective about the #2 WR situation.  Ask yourself who you are willing to part ways with next year in order to sign your coveted #2 WR???  Coach has put together the list above.  Who leaves for another team?  Who do we have to replace him?  What will it cost to replace him from FA? 

    Signing a #2 for the money being asked is just not logical in the big picture.

    Webber, just FYI.  Money and whom we have to sign is NO ISSUE.  I posted the salary cap and each of our individual players and what the PROBABLE contracts will be and we have NO ISSUES.

    We are clearly the most talented team in the league and our CURRENT talent is just getting better with more seasoning.

    I have NO idea what so many of our fans gripe about.  Its ridiculous to me.  Worst of all are the ones with the idea that THEY know our players better than the coaches...never mind ME who went to camp 2 years in a row and saw these guys perform.

  • 05-21-2008 6:59 PM In reply to

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    JUST FYI because it seems many of you did not pay attention when i took you to school a couple of months ago on our roster.  Let me post this again, along with the cap and depth chart.  If you pay this any attention, I think it is very very hard to find holes on our team.  

    Note: the way I have done the debth chart will seem like there are more positions than 11, some will get why.

    Cowboy's 08 Roster:
     
    R: denotes likely not on roster in 09
    Y: denotes good possibility no on roster in 09
     
    Offense                                                                                                                      2009 +/-                         Practice Squad
     
    Romo               8.91       6 years 67.5 million 11.5 bonus                                             +1                                 
    Johnson          2.89       3 years   7.5 million   2.5 bonus BOOOO!!!                              -1    Johnson may be in the front office for emergencies                          
    Bartell               .50                                    
     
    Adams             3.50      6 years 43.8 mil 13.0 bonus (22.5 mil 1st 3 years )               +2
    Fee                    .50       4 years ?
    Kosier              2.50      5 years 15.0 mil  5.0 bonus                                                     +.5
    Mquistan           .50              
    Gurode            4.00       6 years 30.0 mil 10.0 bonus                                                     +1
    Proctor              .45                                                                                                         +.5
    Davis               5.50      7 years 50.0 mil 16.0 bonus                                                      +1
    Berger               .93                                                                                                         +.5                              
    Columbo          4.00      2 years  7.0 mil 4.0 bonus                                                         +1   
    Martin                .65      4 years 
     
    Ladouceur         .50      5 years  4.0 mil
     
    Witten              4.00      7 years 29 mil 2 x 6 mil bonus                                                  +.5
    Bennett              .445    4 years 2.0
    Curtis                .445
     
    Barber             2.77e    7 years 45 mil 16 mil garantee                                                                                          Coleman
    Jones                         ------------------------------------------------------------------- >    1st Round Pick   1.50         
    Choice                        ------------------------------------------------------------------- >    4th Round Pick    .250
     
    Anderson           .375
     
    T.O.                  8.675    3 years 25 million  5 million + 2 - 3 million roster bonus           -   
    Glenn               3.000    5 years 20 million                                                                       +1                                      Polk
    Crayton            2.325    4 years 14 - 16 million  6 million bonus                                    +1                                  Amendola
    Miles                  .445
    Hurd                   .445
    Stanback           .375
     
     
    Folk                   .375
                                                                            Offense Roughly 58.375
    __________________________________________________
     
    Defense
     
    Newman         4.27e  7 years 51 mil  12 mil bonus (a steal at this avg and sp)                 +1                   
    Henry              5.600  5 years 25 mil  10 mil bonus.                                                        -1
    Pacman            .850  --------------------------------------------------------------------- >   4th Round Pick       
    Jenkins           1.25e  --------------------------------------------------------------------- >   1st Round Pick      
    Scandrick         .333e --------------------------------------------------------------------- >    5th Round Pick
     
    Hamlin            4.360   Franchise                                                                                         -4
    Williams          6.650   5 years 25 mill  11 mill bonus. 
    Brown               .375
    Watkins             .445    4 years 1.69
    Ball                    .250
     
    Ware                2.50     5 years 13 mil                                                                              +.5
    Spencer           1.50     5 years   9 mil                                                                               +.5
    Ellis                  3.50    Signed thru 09  4.2 bonus                                                             +.5
    James              3.50     5 years 20 mil  8.0 bonus
    Carpenter         2.09     5 years 12 mil  7.5 guarantee
    Thomas            1.25      4 years 19 mil voidable 1 mil bonus  1 mil incentives
    Burnett               .525    5 years 5th voidable                                                                   +.5
    Walden               .333    ------------------------------------------------------------------- > 6th Round Pick       D. Robertson ( projected 3rd round pick - injury )
     
    Siavii                 .550
    Ratliff               3.000      5 year deal - 8 mil bonus 20.5
    Tank                   .520                                                                                                         +2.0?
     
    Spears             1.750     5 years 9.3  mil
    Hatcher              .675     4 years 2.2 mil  .6 sign bonus
    Canty               2.017     1st round tender                                                                            +1                             Dixon
    Bowen               .445       +.5       
     
     
    McBriar           1.00      5 years 8.5
     
                                                          Defense Roughly 53.605  >>>>>>> 112.00
     
    2009   -   10 - 11 million Cap Increases.       Roy or Hamlin must go in 2009.
    _____________________________________________________________
     
     
    Folk
     
                                                                          
                                                                                    Choice
                                                                           Barber
                                                                              
                                           Jones(h)                                                            Anderson
                                              
                                                                            Bartel
                                                                            Romo
                                                                                                                              Stanback
                                                                                                                                                                        Crayton
                                  Curtis                                                      Ladocouer                                                    Bennett(t)
      Hurd                     Witten            Martin           Berger        Proctor             Kosier              Free                                            Miles
     Glenn                                          Columbo          Davis          Gurode           Mquistan          Adams                                         Owens
     
     
     
    Newman                                                   Spears                   Ratliff                     Canty                                                              Henry
        Ball                                                       Hatcher                  Tank                      Bowen                                                           Jenkins
                                                   Ellis                                           Siavii                                        Ware   
                                               Spencer                                                                                         Walden         
                                                                                     James                     Thomas                                       Pacman(n)
                                                                                     Burnett                  Carpenter                                     Scandrick
                                                                                       
     
                                                               Williams
     
     
            
                                                                                                                                           Hamlin
                                                                                                                                           Watkins
                                                                                                                                            Brown
     
     
     
     McBriar
     
     
     
     
     
    Nickle
     
                             Newman                                          Ellis          Tank          Ratliff          Ware                                          Henry
                                 Ball                                           Spencer     Spears         Canty        Hatcher                                   
     
     
                                                       Jenkins                                                                                            Pacman
                                                       Oglesby                           Burnett                    Carpenter               Scandrick
                                                                                               Williams                    Thomas               
     
     
     
     
                                                                                                               Watkins
                                                                                                                Hamlin
  • 05-21-2008 7:18 PM In reply to

    Re: Do the Cowboys have enough depth at receiver for 2008?

    rphillips:

    The Cowboys looked into potentially acquiring an unnamed veteran receiver before the draft, but no trade materialized. Unless a move is made this summer, the Cowboys will enter the season with the same cast of wideouts: Terrell Owens; Patrick Crayton; young Miles Austin, Sam Hurd and Isaiah Stanback; and possibly Terry Glenn, depending on how his knee responds.

    Should the Cowboys have drafted another receiver? Do the Cowboys have enough depth even if Glenn is ready to go?

    Put simply, no.  And this could show up to hurt the Cowboys this year.  Glenn, Witten and Owens....the offense hums.   Owens and Witten...the offense slows considerably.  Owens and well, whats left and we get bounced in the 1st rd again.  If we make the playoffs. 

    Ahem!, Ocho Cinco, Ahemhint, hint

    "You are one...ugly...mudda..."
    My favorite Schwarznegger line from the Movie 'Predator'

    Predator - My favorite Cowboys running back
  • 05-21-2008 7:22 PM In reply to

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    Fan since 1975:

    OMG !! T.New sign for 7yrs and $51 million !! Won't he be getting AARP Magazine in the mail by then ???

    This is for everyone, but 75 I'll break down the most likely way this contract is structed.  It is actually a STEAL.

    7 years 51 w/ 12 million SB and 22.5 garantee.

                Years           1              2               3              4               5              6               7

    S.Bonus 12  >       1.77          1.77          1.77          1.77          1.77          1.77          1.77

        Salary               2.50          3.50          4.50          4.50          5.50          7.50          7.50 

     R.Bonus                                                       1.0             1.0                            1.0

     cost to cut                                                                      5.3          3.54           1.77

     * after june 1 the remaining bounus can be cut in half and spread over the two years                                                                           

     

    This would be a 'typical' way a contract might be structured.  But Bottom line is the contract only avg's 7 million a year when the top guys are getting 10 million avg's.  Newman was a steal....

  • 07-14-2008 6:18 PM In reply to

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    they should have kept copper and j rector 

    Skeptic
  • 07-14-2008 6:28 PM In reply to

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